Should AIM-120 variants have differentiated fin/control values?

[Should AIM-120 variants have differentiated fin/control values?]
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I wanted to start a discussion before making a formal historical/modeling report.

My question is whether the AIM-120 family should have more differentiated fin/control modeling between variants, especially between earlier AIM-120A/B/C variants and later AIM-120C-7 / AIM-120D variants.

I am not claiming an exact classified maximum fin-deflection angle for the AIM-120D. My point is more general: the AIM-120 variants should probably not all be assumed to have identical control behavior if public documentation shows changes to the control section, guidance, and engagement envelope over time.

One consistency issue is the AIM-120C clipped-fin design. The C-series introduced clipped fins for internal carriage, which would reduce fin area and therefore reduce available aerodynamic control moment compared with earlier AIM-120A/B missiles. If this aerodynamic penalty is represented in game, then later control-actuation improvements should also be considered. Otherwise, the model may apply the disadvantage of clipped fins while ignoring later control-section changes.

Public documentation states that the AIM-120 control section includes control electronics, actuator batteries, and four independently controlled servo-actuators. The same public material also identifies SCAS and VCAS control-actuation sections. The FY2015 AMRAAM Selected Acquisition Report states that VCAS replaced SCAS in PRP-configured AIM-120D and AIM-120C-7 tactical missiles.

Because missile maneuvering depends not only on fin shape, but also on actuator position/rate limits, control electronics, and autopilot logic, I think later AMRAAM variants should be reviewed separately instead of inheriting one uniform fin/control model across the whole AIM-120 family.

To be clear, I am not asking for a specific guessed value like “set fin deflection to X degrees.” I am asking whether the AIM-120C-7 and AIM-120D should have variant-specific fin/control authority, actuator response, or autopilot control-limit values compared with earlier AIM-120 variants.

Does this seem like a valid historical/modeling argument? Also, are there better public sources on AMRAAM control actuation or similar missile fin-actuator systems that could support a formal report?

Possible requested fix for a future report:
Review and differentiate AIM-120 fin/control values by variant. AIM-120A/B can remain the early baseline, AIM-120C/C-5 can reflect clipped-fin aerodynamic effects, and AIM-120C-7/D should be reviewed separately due to documented control-actuation and guidance/control improvements.

Sources and claims:
AIM-120 has four fixed wings and four movable rear fins: ACC fact sheet

AIM-120 control section has control electronics, actuator batteries, and four independently controlled servo-actuators: AAC fact sheet

AIM-120C-7 introduced the +5 rocket motor: AAC fact sheet

SCAS is used with the +5 motor:AAC fat sheet

VCAS replaced SCAS in PRP-configured AIM-120D and AIM-120C-7 tactical missiles: FY2015 SAR

AIM-120D has GPS-aided navigation, improved network compatibility, and two-way datalink: FY2015 SAR

AIM-120D3 has F3R hardware refresh and SIP-3F software: DOT&E FY2025 AMRAAM Report

AIM-120D3/F3R involved real hardware redesign and live-fire testing: ACC AIM-120D3 F3R live-fire article

AMRAAM has both BVR and WVR capability: DOT&E FY2023 AMRAAM Report, DOT&E FY2025 AMRAAM Report

Actuator position/rate limits affect missile AoA, acceleration, and response speed: JHU/APL Overview of Missile Flight Control Systems PDF

Typical missile fin-control actuation systems use 3 or 4 actuators plus control electronics: Moog missile actuation systems

AIM-120C has clipped wings/fins for F-22 internal carriage: Air Force Test Center F-22/AIM-120C article

AIM-120C clipped wings/fins are described as part of P3I Phase 1 for F-22 internal carriage: Designation-Systems AIM-120 page

You’ve said a whole lot of nothing, but the at least the AIM-120D should have the 35 degrees or 40 that it needs. You have it on video.
The devs said that the fin aoa is adjusted for envelope and G overload. Thing is, the AMRAAM rarely hits its 35G max, and even then, doesn’t pull anything

I know this post sounds empty, but without hard, confirmed data on fin deflection, the next best thing is to give the devs an understanding that each variation of this missile has different performance characteristics, thus getting us an inch closer to a more competitive AMRAAM. I know what video you’re talking about, but that form of analysis is inefficient in Gaijen’s eyes. I’m just trying to play by their rules.

Countless reports on the change from SCAS to VCAS were made, all were rejected, even mine.
Devs have video evidence. They can literally see it with their own eyes. They just don’t want to
And you can’t play by their rules when the rules are that they do whatever they want whenever they want and the player has no power… unless you hit them where their wallet is

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aight ima just kms then

Nah. Ain’t worth it for a game, dude

Funny thing is C-5 through to D use the same actuators etc, so fun times