yep
Does china have an equivalent to BOL pods or any extra flare chaff pods?
IN short, no. They went for full ecm thing.
Aspide != PL-11 != PL-11A
The PL-11 is based solely on the seeker of the Aspide and incorporates IOG plus data link guidance. As for the PL-11A, it has never been publicly unveiled, so it cannot be concluded whether there is a decisive gap between the PL-11A and the AE variant.
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Think PL-11A was also partially based off the earlier acquired sparrow but not sure of the validity.
Where did you get that info for the Pl-11 cause everything i know points to it being a Aspide/sparrow copy. Also i said that with the Pl-11A since its questionable if it existed, as far as i know only unreliable text sources mention it(as what you discribe to be the base PL-11). So there is no real correlation to the 11AE par designation afaik.
According to the PLA Daily , on December 25, 2003, a J-10 baseline variant successfully completed a live air-to-air missile test exceeding 100 km using a PL-11. This was the final test before the missile entered service. Such a range would be impossible for a conventional Aspide or even an AIM-7M—whether in terms of kinematic range or seeker lock-on limit.
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An awkward fact is that due to significant delays in the PL-11’s development, it essentially became a parallel project to the PL-12, and may have even adopted a rocket motor similar to that of the early SD-10. As for the PL-11A, I’m only aware that an ARH AAM project based on the PL-11 lost the bid to the PL-12 (in fact, the PL-11 team was told they had lost right after getting off the plane, without even being given a chance to present their proposal, lol) which might serve as the basis for the PL-11AE’s improvements.
After so many years, I prefer they are just 2 different missiles. especially PL-11AE is multi-platformed, it is both AAM and SAM, 2 version has some difference in fins.
This touches on a philosophical question: if we take a PL-11, change its motor, change its control surfaces, and change its seeker, is it still a PL-11?
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essentialy what a 9X is to a 9B
The PL-11 may have originated from the HQ-61C.It uses the HQ-61C’s airframe, while its seeker technology is derived from the Aspide.
hq61c
The HQ-61 itself was actually a reverse-engineering project based on the American Sparrow missile—though the Aspide is also a variant of the Sparrow. The HQ-61 adopted a structure similar to the Sparrow but used a Chinese-developed engine.
Due to technological limitations in China at the time, its diameter was enlarged to ensure adequate range.
hq61&pl11
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hq61a
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The HQ-61 was a ship-based surface-to-air missile, the HQ-61A was a road-mobile land-based version, and finally, the HQ-61C evolved into the PL-11.
Finally, there’s the PL-11AE. Apart from the name “PL-11,” I feel it has little in common with the original PL-11—completely different airframe, wings, and an infrared imaging seeker…
Regardless, the technological lineage of the PL-11 broadly traces back to the reverse-engineering of the Sparrow. However, due to the difference in the diameter of the HQ-61, the range of the PL-11 might surpass that of the Aspide. As mentioned in the PLA Daily report cited above, the J-10 used the PL-11 to hit a target at 100 km.>
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does anyone know anything about the radar on the j11bg? its probably next on the chopping block for chinese air
j11bg,j11d,j16,j16d will copy by klj10a i guess.
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cant wait for J-20 with 100km more detection range(not tracking) KLJ-10A
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The radar on the J-11BG comes from early‑batch J-16s. Those radars had excellent air‑to‑air performance but fell short of expectations in air‑to‑ground capability, so they were replaced during subsequent upgrades by better units from the 14th Research Institute. These removed radars were later installed on the J-11B.
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So to say the least they should have a gimbal?
P sure the J-16’s radar is about as known as the J-15T’s
Carrier catapult still doesn’t work on the J-15T.
Has a bug report been made about it yet? Or does Gaijin know about this issue already?
In the simulator mode, the tactical map also appears bugged which affects not only the J-15T, but every other flanker airframe
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Well we can assume that given that it ain’t fixed from randome, and there are some pics to support mech structure.