Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

yeah…

1 missile at a time right ? for the ldircm

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Its a victim of no ECM and no Dircm for planes

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had a feeling it would be.

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yes, In real life, Dircm can only counter 1 missile at a time (of course it can cycle between missiles, but then a earlier missile might relock in time)

It also should suffer from a limited coverage area( russian cant aim upwards at all, so can’t lazer missiles that loft or is just slighty above the nose)

It can also not defeat aim9m missiles, since the laser is considered a flare ( Ircm consider it a abnormal heat source ) and would trigger iog (of course the heli could then just dodge)

It can also not defeat irst and other ir missiles with data link since laser is considered flare and as such would make the missile fall back to data link or if not then iog

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countermeasure pod exists for su-33, idk if j-15 has it.
also different calibre sizes for russian (flankers) cms exist but again, idk if the chinese have bought it


IMO it can get it because gaijin loves technical compatibility and they already gave this thing fake missile racks

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technical compatibility should be used to save such vehicles. in the current spec i could see this thing still being free food at 13.0

It doesnt get used for that very much. only on gaijins favoured children vehicles

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would give all flankers BOL like cm counts.
imagine su-30 with over 300 counter measures.
Would be normal calibre instead of large calibre though, big trade off

i remember having a talk with you where you told me its possible that the su33 get a chaff pod.

is it possible to get it now ?

could be great to have 48 flares and a pod with chaff

yeah it can get a chaff pod.
but the problem is that it takes up a radar missile pylon.
so you choose between missiles or extra chaff

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If its technically compatible, why not. We have absurd loadouts on some planes for balance might as well go full send on these things.

if only BOL wasnt so heavily nerfed…

still worth it tbh.

sacriface 1 missile to be able to use all other at full bvr potential is great trade

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From the J-11B and onwards, Sino Flankers ditched the wingtip ECM pods because they had a lot of upgrades to their internal ECM. J-15T in particular is the newest Flanker derivative to enter service for China (even newer than J-16!) and it has a lot of its avionics systems based on the cancelled J-11D fighter, which is probably the most advanced Flanker variant ever conceived. In this regard, it relies more on its ECM capability and datalink from friendly AWACS rather than countermeasures outright to decoy missiles. Unfortunately in WT, ECM doesn’t really exist yet. And there isn’t teaming in terms of datalink between other jets…

Apparently Gaijin is looking into an way to increase the countermeasures count for the J-15T. The reasoning they give is that on the J-10C, the countermeasures appear to be of different sizes, and some reports indicate that it may be possible to “swap out” the dispensers on the jets.

So we could end up with x96 small caliber countermeasures on the J-15T… Or apparently, Gaijin said that the Sino small caliber dispensers can still equal the Soviet/Russian large calibers one as they are actually still pretty big, so the best case scenario would be 96 large caliber ones. Both of these solutions are better than what we have rn, though.

I hope the change goes through because this is the most promising addition to the Chinese top tier air tree since the J-10A was added. By all accounts, it looks really competitive in terms of the airframe and systems… Now, it’s up to how much better the PL-12A is, and whether Gaijin does increase CM count.

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Bvvd did say sth about more flares, like 48 large for 96 small.

Just need a source on YINGSIII.

Give the 3rd dispenser🙏🏻

300+ countermeasure on flanker family

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J-15T is cooked btw same with J-10C as it stands

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gg lets go

welp, so much for being hyped about the thrust, guess I’m not gonna bother researching it

whats the weight of j15t? on dev a friend told me its 18.3t, I dont know if thats true or false because I dont want to work for free for Gaishit, so Im not downloading it so far

18.3 and it’s ok, irl it could weight even more