Idk if there are any J-11A fans left tbh, great to see it finally become less of a mess
I mean they had RVV-sd for sure, from the su35s, and they had another jet compatible with it, IDK but we haven’t (I haven’t) seen anything solid showing they used RVVSD.
its still a su30 J11D will be better than it as its far lighter and has same avionics J16 will fly similar to first gen SU27 mostlikely but heavier J16 is heavy but lighter than standard SU30 but heavier than J15 and J11
J-11d is likely still heavier than the original su-27s due to likely having integrated ecm and other sorts. It’s based off the su-27sk and not not the normal su-27s, which is 500ish kg heavier than base model
Huh? The J-16 series is based off of the two seater J-11s, not the Su-30s
Right but it isn’t as viable of an addition given that it isn’t in service with the PLAAF, but if gaijin is happy to add prototypes then sure
Heavier than Su-30SM: No
Heavier than J-15B/D/T: No
Heavier than J-11BG/BGH: marginally
Massive composite reworks should have covered not only that 500kg, but also modernised avionics shaves off another 200-300kg so in reality any chinese flanker with composite is a minimum of 800kg lighter than a Russian Su-27 export model, and thus 200-300kg less than the base Su-27S
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Yeah but doesn’t it have integrated ecm? Or does it have ecm using the wing tip pods? Ecm pods themselves add more than 600 kg, if it has integrated ecm then it would certainly add weight
Russian flankers also use heavy wingtip ECM pods, what’s your point? And internal ECM is like 100-200kg because it’s just a set of recievers and transceivers wired to a central computer
J11b from Chinese secondary sources state that it lost around 700 kg but we know how giajin modeled it to have only lost 150 kg. I doubt j11d gonna be lighter than su27s
Very late to come back to the topic but do you have any sources for the PL-10 datalink? I couldn’t find anything myself after a quick search.
Also do you happen to know if the PL-10 is a single stage missile or does it have a sustainer?
It’s a simple logical deduction: the J-20’s canards obstruct the PL-10 missile’s seeker field of view, requiring a data link for auxiliary tracking. Additionally, CCTV has mentioned the PL-10’s over-the-shoulder launch capability in some programs, which also relies on data link assistance.
It features a dual-thrust rocket motor—though the specific thrust distribution between the two stages is unclear, the total combined burn time is 3.5 seconds.
Datalink is not required for over the shoulder shots, it helps, but is not required. The baseline IRIS-T for example does not have datalink, pretty sure ASRAAM doesn’t until later variants as well.
PL-10 does not appear to have any obvious datalink antenna’s, and is pushed out of the aircraft before being fired, suggesting a preference for LOBL, and therefore suggesting no real-time updates post-launch.
The canards also only obstruct a small portion of the missiles pre-launch gimbal limits, so its a bit of a pointless thing to state.
Afaik, there are no primary sources stating the PL-10 has a datalink, there are a few secondary sources that all claim the same thing you did (LOAL = must have datalink), which is an erroneous assumption, and calling these sources secondary is kind of generous, as they’re just news articles for the most part that dont actually have any source of their own for their claims. As it stands, there’s is quite literally nothing concrete that actually indicates the missile has datalink, just a bunch of people all making the same assumption and spreading said misinformation as “logical” deduction or fact.
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i don’t think any version of asraam has datalink, just iog and loal
Figured later variants might have/get it cuz CAAM has it, but yeah afaik, ASRAAM doesnt have datalink.
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The AIm-9X also has a non-obvious antenna placement.
Fair point, though I’d argue its a lot more reasonable to assume the 9X has the datalink antenna inside the external channel seen on the missile, something the PL-10 does not have.
And it’s not true
It’s in AOTD
to be fair, only the 9x blk 2 has datalink, not the original 9x. can’t tell which sidewinder of the 2 the one in the image is showing
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So as it stands the only next gen IIR missile with datalink or sufficient evidence to have it would be
AIM 9X block 2 and MICA IR?
Yeah i just saw and read the original picture you posted of it,
What’s the source of that bit? I tried to find the document but didn’t have any luck.
Also interesting enough the PL-10 is very similar to the Python 5 they’re both105kg, 160mm diameter and the PL-10 is 5cm shorter.
The rocket motor total impulse is right in between the P4 and P5 aswell, 92.4KN for the P4, 102KN for the P5 (no idea if they’re accurate in game)
So just guessing the PL-10 is going to be one of the best WVR missiles due to the 60G TVC with a very powerful rocket motor and +/-90° seeker view
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If we work off of numbers that we “know”, i.e. 17700kg empty weight and 14 ton thrust out of the WS-10D, it should comfortably thrash just about every other flanker, the Su-35S is a massive fat pig of a plane so any improvements from the AL-41FS should be offset by weighing 19 tons