The J-10B/C have strengthened wing structures aswell considering the B/C can carry YJ-91’s and KD-88’s unlike the 10A
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It is heavier, but it has lost its gun, which weighs about 400 kg. So… 900kg on ECM equipment?
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you also forgot this, big AESA radar with liquid cooling system, which is also much heavier than mechanical radar
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Radar and Kh-31A addition
MK2 has also integrated Chinese missiles like the PL-12
So VEP radar and the missile that comes with it. Is m2 in Russian service the same thing but domestic?
Would that require a new radar?
pretty much yes
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It requires some level of system integration. The SU-30MKK can’t use Chinese missiles
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Su-30mkk also uses a different radar from the mk2
Yeah it does.
But i can’t answer if the PL-12 integration needs a new radar or if isn’t integrated to the MKK for other reasons as i have no idea
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Isn’t this mkk with pl12 and 8?
I don’t know enough about the SU-30MKK/MK2 to differentiate the two but i can’t say ive ever heard of the MKK being able to use the PL-12
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not new radar but something like crack patch.
Didn’t know gun and ammo were considerations for empty weight 👍
I don’t see how an empty weight of 16.3 tons is so unreasonably when the Chinese made the j-15 which is confirmed to be over a ton lighter than its counterpart in the su-33, albeit being around 25 ish years newer than the su-27k/33
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Well, if you check basic weight, difference between 18F and 18G will be 1700 pounds. One has a fully loaded gun, the other has no gun or shells.
The G has more fuel capacity and other things than the F, it is not 1:1 correlation with the F model. It is heavier due to more reasons than the EW equipment - but my point stands. The Chinese made a lot of changes to the J-10C to reduce weight. The source claims it made weight improvements over the earlier models… yet more trustworthy public data suggests it is considerably heavier.
Now we see similar story with the J-11, people claim it is an overall improvement, lighter than the original… yet it has all these new features that should add weight. Where is the savings?
AFAIK, same. I think all weight for for AEA. Also, in hornets basic weight missiles not included, but for growler wingtip ESM is musthave, so…
This can’t go too far off topic, but the sources (which can’t be posted here) are on the Internet regarding empty weight of super hornets, maybe not E/A-18G. The internal fuel is higher on the growler than the F last I heard. They’re very different aircraft. You can’t simply take a fully built F and turn it into an EA-18.
Anyway, I cast my doubt and reasoning. I don’t think the J-11B should be as light as claimed.