MK2 has also integrated Chinese missiles like the PL-12
So VEP radar and the missile that comes with it. Is m2 in Russian service the same thing but domestic?
Would that require a new radar?
pretty much yes
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It requires some level of system integration. The SU-30MKK can’t use Chinese missiles
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Su-30mkk also uses a different radar from the mk2
Yeah it does.
But i can’t answer if the PL-12 integration needs a new radar or if isn’t integrated to the MKK for other reasons as i have no idea
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Isn’t this mkk with pl12 and 8?
I don’t know enough about the SU-30MKK/MK2 to differentiate the two but i can’t say ive ever heard of the MKK being able to use the PL-12
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not new radar but something like crack patch.
Didn’t know gun and ammo were considerations for empty weight 👍
I don’t see how an empty weight of 16.3 tons is so unreasonably when the Chinese made the j-15 which is confirmed to be over a ton lighter than its counterpart in the su-33, albeit being around 25 ish years newer than the su-27k/33
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Well, if you check basic weight, difference between 18F and 18G will be 1700 pounds. One has a fully loaded gun, the other has no gun or shells.
The G has more fuel capacity and other things than the F, it is not 1:1 correlation with the F model. It is heavier due to more reasons than the EW equipment - but my point stands. The Chinese made a lot of changes to the J-10C to reduce weight. The source claims it made weight improvements over the earlier models… yet more trustworthy public data suggests it is considerably heavier.
Now we see similar story with the J-11, people claim it is an overall improvement, lighter than the original… yet it has all these new features that should add weight. Where is the savings?
AFAIK, same. I think all weight for for AEA. Also, in hornets basic weight missiles not included, but for growler wingtip ESM is musthave, so…
This can’t go too far off topic, but the sources (which can’t be posted here) are on the Internet regarding empty weight of super hornets, maybe not E/A-18G. The internal fuel is higher on the growler than the F last I heard. They’re very different aircraft. You can’t simply take a fully built F and turn it into an EA-18.
Anyway, I cast my doubt and reasoning. I don’t think the J-11B should be as light as claimed.
Are you comparing it to the Su27SK kits? In that case I think it important to remember the incredible jumps electronics have taken since the mid to late 80’s, which the 27SK was made with avionics and electronics from that era. Iirc some big weight savings with the F15EX from the 15E were from the complete digitization of all systems, and the doing away with old, heavier computers and whatnot. Given what we know of the J11B it likely underwent a very similar procedure, with the old heavy 80’s era electrics being replaced with modern, lighter equivalents. Now I’m not ‘claiming’ this as absolute fact, just presenting it as a theory as to why the weight on new-built J11B airframes would be different from the 27SK’s built pre-soviet collapse.
That is incorrect, the antenna itself of an esa radar is not too heavy and lighter than a mechanical radar due to it not needing the gimbal
The actual heavy part of a radar is behind it and I would expect that they were able to reduce weight there as well due to more modern and lighter electronics
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They removed the gun from the j16 and the gun itself would be part of the empty weight
reads j-11 j-16 j-15 thread
it’s just russians mains saying nuh uh to everything posted with no source on their claims that the chinese flankers are worse other than “russia number 1”
mods this must have been like the 5th time these guys come here and just do this, why this keeps happening? can we keep the russian flanker talk in the russian flanker threads? thank u
isn’t against the rules to talk about stuff that is not part of the thread?
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