You are talking about the WS-10A mind you. I just want to note in case generalization was being made, WS-10’s reliability issues (mainly surge issues), found on the earliest of the engines, are long fixed.
WS-10 started as an engine with relatively very advanced structure, and high requirements for the day’s Chinese aeroengine industry. Nowadays latest WS-10B/D variants benefit from both.
((why are we discussing about 10A, even?))
There is no need to bother with it at all, the engine is the only point they can use to prove their superiority. And they are not even willing to admit that China has made a new breakthrough in engines on the sixth generation aircraft.
Also, using AI for technical discussions is pretty unscrupulous and implausible, man.
why talk about the al31f 1m?? I compare it to the al31f, and sorry guys but I’m not going to believe an AI that makes me a compilation of data that I can recover and get an idea because the final reflection belongs to me, than people on a forum who tell me that an engine is less good because it weighs 200 kg more, in the meantime the AI gave me data that I could find elsewhere but not you. I did a lot of research on different sites, forums and now with the AI and the conclusion is the same everywhere the Ws10A is either equal or slightly better than the al31f
you know that in the real world everyone uses AI, whether it’s the military, businesses, industrialists, engineers, etc., everyone is also unscrupulous??
Yes. But I think that for this kind of specialized technical debate, you should add your own sources. Many times, AI doesn’t tell you if it’s authoritative and professional from its source.
In addition, you say that the WS-10A is about 200kg heavier than the AL-31F, but the J-11B is much lighter than the Su-27SK and is much lighter than the 200kg. According to Chinese sources, the J-11B has reduced its weight by about 700kg. And the maximum thrust of the WS-10A (132kn) is also greater than that of the AL-31F (127kn). So, I don’t think that’s a problem. The WS-10A still performed better on the J-11B than the AL-31F.
WS-10A is an early attempt, WS-10B achieved thrust-to-weight ratio of over 8 and WS-10C’s thrust-to-weight ratio is 9.5.
WS-10A also had a later batch with more thrust (135-136KN) compared to 132KN.
It is true that the WS-10A, at least in thrust-to-weight ratio, isn’t better than AL-31F, but since the platform it is being used on is J-11B, a lighter airframe, it’ll still be improved massively in terms of performance.
At high altitude, it can be seen that WS-10A has more thrust past mach 1.3 than both AL-31F and AL-31FM1.
We’re comparing engines, not airplanes. AL-31F-1M (133 kN) and the same weight of 1520kg
We’re comparing engines in a specific airplane
It was you who started comparing the AL-31F and the WS-10A first. An overly biased comment was made about crunchyBoy’s picture. Your conclusion is based on the fact that “the WS-10A is in some ways less than the AL-31F, so it is worse”. I can likewise say the opposite: “The AL-31F is inferior to the WS-10A in some ways, so it is worse.” "If you want to compare the AL-31F-1M, then it should be for the WS-10A (late type), that is, 132-136kn.
WS-10A already with AL-41F1S
Because the graph is not superimposed correctly
Looks like J-11B next update?
Wonder if the j11 will come with ws10a or the al31.
Hopefully 10A
Really hope WS10A. Worst case scenario we could try and pull off that US mains did with F-15E engines
US mains will always be infinitely better at screeching, maybe all the J-7D money will influence Gaijin
Ai is notorious for making things up.
Engineers are not out sourcing their day to day responsibilities to Ai. They may use it to automate emails.
Personally, I think it’s important not to rely Ai so we remain capable of independent research and thought
weight savings is from composites they use instead of the aluminum
does the j11B have any guided a2g ordinance?
Nope, for that you need J-16 or Su-30MKK/MK2.