Correct radar or rwr mostly
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It’s unfortunately accurate though, for J-11A.
J-11A sadly didn’t receive N001V or a new RWR in its lifetime.
The variant ingame (2015 MLU) by that time had already been relegated to second-line duties, and with the amount of J-11B in service, J-11A quickly fell out of favor. MAWS was a simpler and more economical upgrade that allowed it to have better situational awareness.
The “fix” should come at a BR decrease or more BR decompression, because as it stands the J-11A is outright worse than the Su-27SM at the same BR.
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Though I doubt that it’s rwr should be upgraded, but sadly we have no evidence. upgrade it’s rwr is surely easier than installling new MAWS, it should come together.
But we can only know untill one day it’s no longer classified and some uncensored cockpit photo release
Now that I think about it, maybe MAWS was installed on J-11A to evaluate its effectiveness, whether to incorporate MAWS on other platforms.
One thing to mention though, we do have some people, and sources suggesting that some were evaluated with new cockpit/avionics, to what extent I do not know but the base assumption to me is that at least something has been changed other than simply the radar has been enabled to fire R-77, which to me sounds like a pretty vain explanation at 2013, when PL-15 is on the horizon and PL-12 an established 10 year old missile.
Regarding the MAWS, does any source commits to more details on the MAWS? So far it is known to be a simply IR MAWS, but how would they relegate the sun and massive background radiation. Cause as far as I know this is one of the first and last purely IR based MAWS to be mass produced. Also just to ask, which other aircrafts from PLAAF’s current inventory has MAWS?
Comparing them together, it seems that WS-10A is indeed better.
At sea level, 0.5 Mach, 1.3 t greater
At 5 km, 1.3 Mach, 1.1 t greater
At 11 km, 2 Mach, 2.5 t greater
But at higher altitudes (above 5 km?), around 1 Mach, the thrust of WS10A will be slightly less than that of AL31F
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J-11B has rear-facing MAWS, we don’t know the exact type of it though. Should also be IR-based.
There isn’t much information on it.
As for the system on J-11A this should be it:
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- https://pdf.dfcfw.com/pdf/H3_AP202110101521719321_1.pdf
- https://pdf.dfcfw.com/pdf/H3_AP201706080634203430_01.pdf
I have Restricted Access on these documents
That’s a very detailed wikipedia page.
132KN should be the early WS-10A while 135KN is the latest batch, should be what is being used on the J-11BGs.
I am French and sometimes our wiki pages are very detailed compared to the English page I don’t know why, in any case I would have liked to have access to the PDF which details the technical value of the WS10A that would have given me proof to give as a bug report in case it does not accept data from Wikipedia
I cannot access it either from where I’m at, perhaps others can try?
These data show that WS-10 is worse than Al-31F
how it can be less good when it has more thrust, lower working temperature, greater air flow and a better pressure rate ??
the ws10 must be slightly better or equivalent to AL31F but with better responsiveness when ramping up thanks to a greater air flow since the ws10 has a core technology based on the CFM56 that China received in 1983
More weight, more specific fuel consumption, lower temperature, on the contrary, is worse (which means resource problems).Weight improvement is worse
I saw that it is 1,423 degrees at the “inlet” of the turbine, but we do not know the internal temperature and at the “entrance” of the WS10A, it is perhaps 200kg heavier but it pushes more! I asked an AI, the WS10A versus the AL31F and the AI clearly told me that the WS10A is slightly better
AI Grok : “The WS-10A is not “better” than the AL-31F in absolute terms, but it is not clearly inferior either. It offers comparable thrust (or even slightly greater in certain versions), more recent technology, and meets a strategic need for autonomy for China. However, the AL-31F surpasses it in reliability, durability and operational maturity, making it even more of a choice for critical missions. If the WS-10A continues to evolve, it could one day surpass the AL-31F, but for now the latter remains a more established value. Everything therefore depends on the priority criterion: raw performance or proven reliability.”
and from the table that I posted I also see that the WS10A is slightly more powerful than the AL31F and knowing that Warthunder is a video game the question of durability does not arise so what I concluded WS10A>AL31F
knowing that the J11B is lighter than the J11A and the Su27SM,
10,000 kgf x2, is not negligible for only 200 kg x2 per engine
and for fuel consumption it is a slight increase but nothing to be alarmed we will not do worse than the Ja37
again according to the AI, it is certain that its information must be taken with hindsight but it is still better than not having information and I doubt that the Chinese will build an engine without worrying about the optimal internal temperature of a turbojet which must be 1,700 and 2,000 degrees so as not to exhaust the parts
“Refined estimate
Combustion chamber (peak): 1800°C to 2000°C (2070K to 2270K), with immediate dilution to protect components.
TET (turbine inlet): 1437°C to 1474°C (1710K to 1747K) in current versions, potentially up to 1500°C (1770K) in optimized models (WS-10B/C).
Post-combustion (nozzle): Up to 1,900°C to 2,000°C peak.”
“Comparison with the AL-31F:
The AL-31F, used on the Su-27 and J-10, has a TET of approximately 1,450 °C to 1,500 °C (1,720 K to 1,770 K) in its base version. The WS-10A, designed to match or surpass this engine, therefore aims for a comparable or slightly higher TET to justify its similar thrust (130-135 kN compared to 123-135 kN for the AL-31F). A TET of 1,474 °C (1,747 K) seems plausible for the WS-10A in its current form, with ambitions to reach 1,500 °C to 1,550 °C in future variants (like the WS-10C).”
AI
Materials and cooling:
The WS-10A’s turbine blades use nickel-based superalloys with Thermal Barrier Coating (TBC), a technology adopted by China in the 2000s. These materials withstand surface temperatures of around 1,200°C to 1,300°C, but internal cooling (via air channels) allows the surrounding gases to be hotter, resulting in a TET around 1 474°C.
Chinese advances in monocrystalline alloys, inspired by Russian and Western engines, suggest that the WS-10A can handle temperatures close to modern standards without yet reaching the 1,600°C to 1,700°C of engines like the F119 or EJ200.
WS-10A(red) compare with AL-31F(black) by SpitfireMkIX https://space.bilibili.com/1897786:
Compare to Su-27SM(blue) in game:
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Ahahhah
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AI does not know how to think like a human and does not have the proper knowledge.But yes, he’s right about that. The AL-31F is much more reliable and its resource is most likely higher.And thrust on the WS-10 is achieved due to the diameter.But then it should be compared with the AL-31F-1M.
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