At this point they might as well just not even added the plane. It is literally a copy-paste J-11, oh but with MAWS and R-77. Yep, really worth the 420k RP to grind out… I’m going to bet the total dev time with research and in game development was less than 8 hours, I could do it UE5 within 3 hours, to copy-paste MAWS code + Actor Component + skin change + copy-paste equipment. And don’t even get me started on the Q-5L and it’s 18 flares because I guess the devs don’t know how to count flare slots on the PICTURE of the Type 941 flare pod (32 slots)? Just a massive frustrating and disappointment of an update, the only good thing I can say about it is the separate flare and chaff release.
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If we’re sure and have info on this we should bug report it.
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I see the bug reports got rejected… @Smin1080p can you weight in on this, we may need some oversight here?
We have met the sourcing requirements, furthermore all forms of documentation agree on the radar being N001VE or at a minimum a modified N001V.
Yet another source I dug up, combined with all our sources from the various reports and comments on them, there are 6 sources saying N001VE:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vqbCmqSXz3Es
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/NVNIGitoXZFv
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/8N0v6cHACV5T
While I appreciate @David_Bowie 's dedication to finding the truth, the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the N001VE.
Furthermore, I saw doubts on Rupprecht saying the J-11A had the N001VE, luckily he has always been active on a certain PLA watchers forum:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/china-flanker-thread-ii.3720/page-523
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/china-flanker-thread-ii.3720/page-524
And lastly, might I remind us all, there is no primary source. All we have are collections of secondary sources. They must be weighed against each other to see what holds up and can be cross verified. And what can be cross verified is that the radarset on the J-11A is the N001VE, perhaps it could be a further modification of it to explain the PPT David_Bowie mentions. But at the very least, we can confidently say it is accepted that the radar is the N001VE for the J-11A.
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I can only fire-fight so many issues at a time, here’s what the Type 941 flare pod looks like:
I may get around to reporting it this weekend, but it honestly depends on how much more I got fight to get the correct radar on the J-11A…
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After what they’ve said in the report i’m pretty sure there’s no way we’re getting the new radar.
All Western sources are based on incorrect material. The claim that the J-11A was equipped with the N001VE was initiated by Su-30MKK with N001VE.
Su-30MKK with the N001VE has been misrepresented to the J-11A being upgraded to the N001VE, and this has led to sources citing incorrect claims.
Chinese sources state that the J-11A retains the existing N001 and only upgrades the FCS to guide the R-77.
Also, the PPT I mentioned is the one presented by PLAAF Senior Colonel Li Chunghua at Northwestern Polytechnical University about the Falcon Strike 2015 training, which is sufficient primary source and shows more clearly than other unreliable western sources that the radar in question was modified based on the N001, not the N001VE.
If the J-11A was equipped with N001VE as you say, then the number of maximum missile guidance mentioned in that PPT should be stated as 2 and not 1. However, in that PPT it is stated as 1, which shows that the radar remained N001 and not N001VE.
So there is nothing more to discuss about this, all secondary sources are refuted by primary sources.
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guess it’s official j-11a is the worst 13.0
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surprise surprise
and with every bit of information that gaijin have access, they still chose to use the J11A with 1 max guidance for fox3, analog rwr with no identification, same radar as the normal J11… cockpit???
after 1256 kills in sim with the J11 and alot of struggle to make it usable against any other top tier jet in the last update, this J11A is just a joke.
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the j11a needs to be changed to the B model. If multipath was at 100m this would still be somewhat viable
even if they do change that, can we really see it happening fast?
Dual guidance is N001VEP feature, not N001V(E?)
This picture says Grippen has 2 datalink but could perform 4 targets attack.
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There is internal report on this. Blue Vixen radar on which PS-05 is based has 4 data link channel.
The claim in the report was that the radar of J-11A has upgraded to N001VE and it have two data link channel.
And according to Chinese sources, the J-11A was upgraded from the Belarus 558 ARZ, based on N001, with only the FCS upgraded for using the R-77. That is, they only have one data link channel and it is correct to keep the previous N001.
What do you mean by revert, did it have more?
Well, even if J-11A got N001VE, it shouldn’t get two dl channels.
But Northwest Poly-technology university has nothing to do with the J11 series, they are a major university with leading equipment, but as far as I am aware, they are not involved in the modification of J11 radars. The work is done by 沈飞 alone, so their data should not be seen as primary but rather secondary. On top of that, is it possible for J11A to have undergone multiple upgrades, which might include a radar upgrade cause I have seen weird J11As with a different nose.
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Of course, this has already been confirmed by the PPT about the Falcon Strike 2015 training. They only have one data link channel