Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

It’s indeed unrelated, yet somehow they’ve linked them together—which is why I described it as odd naming. But this reflects a shift in China’s policies regarding weapon exports. Since then, we’ve seen a trend where export-oriented products are rebranded under the names of already operational domestic models to boost sales. If the PL-12A didn’t exist, then the designation PL-12AE would make no sense.

The VT4 is a completely different tank from the ZTZ. The VT4 is a completely different tank from the ZTZ. China chooses the export name for its equipment; yes, we’ve seen a certain habit in China of adding an “E” for “export,” but it’s not systematic, like the CM-802AKG, which is the export version of the KD-88. All this to say that China is quite secretive with its designations.

anyway back to the main topic: it is stupid of gajin to give us a missile that might not even exist to basically make it harder to bugreport its performace

Actually, it’s quite challenging to submit a performance-related bug report for the baseline PL-12, too.

thats mainly cause of BRM not knowing shit tho aka thinking SD-10 = PL-12 for example. My collection:


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But…the community manager stated that the PL-12AE is the export version of the PL-12A. Whom should we believe?

Well fact is there is no proof of a Pl-12A existing, only if you go off chinese naming it exists and as shown above that isnt consistent.There has also been no missile spotted that visually fits the PL-12AE´s. Nothing against Smin btw.

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This surely implies that we should ask for PL-15E )))

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but considering most photos we seen are the blue payload missile, which don’t have any details about the missile itself.
I believe PL-12A is widely used, considering PLA seldom show their new loadouts

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The only issue i have is that its named PL-12A instead of AE not the addition of it (funny that it isnt considering they use the Vis model of the AE with SD20A written on it)

because it is not the ae, ae has a modified seaker and booster which the ingame pl-12a doesnt right now

does the J15T out dogfight the SM2 on dev server has anyone flown both ?

It has a slight STR advantage over the SM2 but its hard to tell as TVC still can provide better nose authority - plus the lack of R-73 or PL-10 on the J-15T is also an issue in close up fights.

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Ws10 thrust curve has been fixed

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Was there a new dev patch or something?

I haven’t seen anything in the datamines

the dev wasnt updated since yesterday unless they pushed a serverside fix which i doubt

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/s/aiHMNU4H8N New graphs here

thats 4 days old, the Content

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Really? As far as I know, the high-altitude ram performance of the WS-10B is still terrible