That’s such a weird metric to use no? “AMRAAM wins if the only useful scenario to measure maneuverability with (HOBS) is taken out of the equation.”
If the PL-12 gets its PID values fixed where it would no longer be rollable, then neither missile would be better because it would be medium range shots where neither missile could be dodged, so that just leaves HOBS capability where the AMRAAM is outright worse due to that track delay.
5km AIM-120C-5 shot*
worst AIM-120 in the game, better chance with an A or B
the difference isnt that big anymore
i g-pulled an AIM-120C from 4km head-on while connecting an R-27ER and then died to an AIM-120A in the same situation, R-27ER still hit him though :)
Why was this change ever even implemented? People saying the nerf was warranted are insane, the pl12 doesn’t have the range of the 120 but it at least had maneuverability, now it has neither range nor pull. Even if the missile was “op” back then it was on fighters that weren’t meta or over performing. Now its just the worst missile in the entire top tier bracket.
So they do accept PL-12AE information now?
We’ll never know which of Gaijin’s words are genuine. Whether it’s in bugreports or from community managers, none of these people truly represent Gaijin’s stance, in my opinion. They are merely employees placating us—or even “volunteers” who may not understand anything at all.
We went to great lengths to find information that could be accepted by Gaijin, but they were just talking nonsense there.
always have, as i posted myself:
The one abou the Pl-12A and Pl-12AE was taken back quite instantly
The Bug Reporting Manager who said that was misinformed about what could be used to report
since the distfromCMtoStab value is derived from actual real world control surface areas, it should obviously depend upon the thing it is measuring, the center of surfce area.
and gaijin has erroneously set that at 0.12 (which is center of volume of the fin+motorassembly)
rather than to 0.208 (center of surface area of the fin)
this is imo a stealth nerf beyond what the aerodynamic capabilities of the missile would be in real life.
the problem isnt that its better than amraam, the problem is that irs not performing according to its aerodynamics
what good are large fins if the game doesnt even model their effect right?
the value is not derived from anything
as i highly doubt the distfromCMtoStab of the AIM-54 is 0.05 for example
according to my experience it most definitely is derived from the model for most missiles
whats its file name, ill check
Just check the spreadsheet, almost all ARH for example (R-77´s 120´s MICA) share the same distfromCMtoStab which is very unlikely to be the case irl (missile spreadsheet)
from what i can see, its values should be different, meaning its not correctly set up
wdym
they should be higher
meaning the PID will ofc have to be adjusted to accomodate these changes
PID would have to pull less but the fins themselves will perform better
yeah which just proves my point that the distfromCMtoStab values are chosen arbitrarily and dont reflect any irl metrics
which is worse imo
as far as certain missiles are concerned, they do seem to be arbitrary, i cant say for certain as a blanket statement yet
only ones that seems kinda realistic is the AAM4´s and Fakour´s with 0.25 and 0.35 respectively (would be funny if gaijin nuked those ones too)
