I said nothing of a timeline or their improvements since. I am talking about the WS-10 as a whole, which is still far behind other nations even after upgrades.
The CFM-56 is based on the F-101, this is the predecessor to the F-14 and F-16’s F110 engine and the F-101 was designed to power the B-1 lancer. Saying that the core technologies are built from this is just proving that the Chinese manufacturing capability was insufficient to copy the AL-31 or improve on it in a short timespan. While the latest models produce more thrust, they also weigh more and do not last as long.
I’m not saying the core is still a CFM-56, of course it is a brand new core, but getting back to my initial point, the engines are heavier than the Russian counterparts and the reasoning is there.
Well, our idea of the newest model is WS10A, we know nothing about the rest, like the ones fitted with J20. I agree that WS 10 is sub par to current contenders, but not like Chinese air force really expected it to be one, supposed to be WS15 RN, so AL41 is definitely not the one to compare to. After all, only a very minor part of Russian airforce has AL41 equipped.
The US by contrast was already flying a variable bypass engine and has tested variable cycle engines subsequently before the WS-10 saw installation from the factory in any Sukhoi’s. China’s WS-15 is thought to be similar in capability to the F119, and that is still behind the AL-41 from a design standpoint.
Again, you claimed first they have quite an absurd lifespan I think you said 5000 hours? What was the source for that?
What I am saying is only logical, it is not sourced. If they can exceed the AL-31 lifespan it will be on the lower power modes that are discussed frequently.
I was not the one who claimed this. You can go and recheck. Why do you think this?
As I’ve said, I’m not too knowledgeable regarding engines, you can ask some others here for more detailed sources. That is, if you are willing to learn.
In my initial statements I said this was discussed and concluded with sources months ago and now it is still ongoing - there is no source to suggest the J-11’s are lighter. Be happy the in-game aircraft is modeled as such because when data arrives for reports it will very likely be nerfed.
Which will likely be never, there is no concrete source or data, especially regarding J-11B. Gaijin does not accept anything else other than official source. There is nothing to suggest J-11B is the same weight as the other J-11s as well other than speculation.
And so, how will it be nerfed?
I’d imagine no one will submit the report anyway.
Unless you are suggesting they will make fake data and submit it as real one.
Once Gaijin makes up their decision, it is difficult to change it.
Why do you have an issue with the J-11B?
This discussion is simply ridiculous. You are voicing your own beliefs, which Gaijin will not take into account in how they model their vehicles. @pegabug
Why do you say the there is no source to suggest the J-11B should not be lighter? Sources have been provided, albeit you and the devs do not like those sources, additionally CCTV claimed the reduced mass. But yes, I can see how that could not be adequate proof. But, I mean, we’ve literally seen a J-11B with composite primer paint (and I think WS-10’s? I’m not as good with engine ID’ing as you are). The original J-11B prototype does not have the composite primer paint, but the latter ones do. Therefore we know there is reduced mass simply based off the information known. Engine mass increased yes, airfoil mass decreased. We can estimate this mass change, and it doesn’t even require an engineering degree or book on aerospace engineering to do so.
Images
J-11B Original Prototype
J-11B with Composites, WS-10’s as well?
J-11D
J-11D has a redesigned and painted nosecone as a dead giveaway that it is not a J-11B.
Besides the point - do you have off hand the mass info for the WS-10A and the AL-31’s the J-11/Su-27SK use?
There is little point reasoning with them, this is most likely ragebait, especially when they threatened a nerf without providing sources. Happened in the Eurofighter forums as well, they’re not exactly the most popular user there.
Tbf though wasn’t the chinese move to build their own engines was to make sure they don’t rely on foreign engines? Allegedly WS-10 also improves upon service life (or was it the later iterations?)
