Okay, no need to pursue it anymore, it’s just a lie.
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We overinflate technologies of adversaries to generate funding. We conduct propaganda and establish fear in our own population to support the military industrial complex. It was a daily thing in the Cold War and it’s something we do today.
If you notice the US never downplays a principal enemies’ capability. Always exaggerates. There is no value in underestimating a foes ability.
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You should go and see the FOX 3 missile thread.
PL-15 maximum range: >200km
R-77-1 maximum range: 110km
If we can’t agree with how missile performs it would be meaningless to continue discussing.
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It’s just ridiculous, maybe it’s a ballistic range, I’ll believe it.Missiles of similar dimensions, yes, the PL-15 has slightly lower resistance at transonic speed, the range may be better by 20-30 km, but not 90.So 200km is just a fairy tale, more for morons, but not for specialists
BTW the AIM-260 is supposed to have similar dimensions to existing AIM-120 but will have > 200km range. I guess it is fairy tale too.
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It is worth to mention that Irbis is monopulse hybrid ESA radar because it has posibilities as both PESA and AESA radars. PESA 'cause N035 has those two TWT in tranmitter channel and two receiver units in receive channel ( high and low frequency receivers). Besides this it has phased array with about 1800 TR elements . AESA 'cause it has so called hybrid -heterodyne waveguide system in phased array. With that N035 can send many signals with different working frequencies simultaneously and with very high frequency agility just like all real AESA radars .
Irbis has the capability of digital heterodyning, therefore it has the capability not only of AESA, but also of DAR or a digital antenna array.
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Chinese AESA not GaN. now no one country don’t have serial AESA on plane, based on GaN
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From the history of the “backwardness” of Russian/Soviet-made avionics for a number of “experts” for reference…
A method for obtaining gallium nitride…
During 2010, at the Institute of Microwave Semiconductor Electronics (ISHPE) Field-effect transistors with Ft = 77.3 GHz and Fmax = 177 GHz having a power gain of more than 11.5 dB at a frequency of 35 GHz were manufactured using AlGaN/AlN/GaN heterostructures of domestic production (Elma-Malachite CJSC). For the first time in Russia, the MIS of a three-stage power amplifier in the frequency range 27-37 GHz with a Cr > 20 dB and a maximum output power of 300 MW in pulse mode was developed and successfully implemented on the basis of transistors.
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Just random J-11 bonding.
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omg das me :))
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There’s something I need to explain to you…If the engine has been given a name, it means that it has passed State tests and is in mass production…Information about the AL-51-F1 under this name appeared in August 2023…There is no discrepancy with the plans of the ODK (United Engine Building Corporation)…This is a priority program for the Su-57/Su-35S(M)/Su-75/Su-30SM2/S-70 Hunter/Su-34…She’s fine considering the SVO factor…
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You cannot take physical dimensions as the mere standard for estimation. The efficiency of rocket engine and trajectory design would also matter a lot.
The designer of PL12/SD10, Liang Xiaogeng, mentioned in an interview that the maximum shoot range of SD10 and AIM120 are measured at 10km altitude and 1.2 Mach speed for both carrier and target aircrafts while the claimed 100km range for R77 is measured at 20km altitude and 1.5 Mach. When using the same test standard, the range of R77 would be =<70km, on par with or even worse than SD10/PL12.
In this regard, even the claimed 110km range of R77-1 is probably exaggerated as well.
And also note that even the export version of PL15, namely PL15E, is labled with a max. range of 145km by AVIC.
So yeah if someone still insists on this two having similar performance … Well, good luck.
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The devs openly talked about how a better skin is coming for the plane and its own unique model, so don’t worry about that.
In 2015, PLAAF had a joint excercise with Thailand. PLAAF sent J11A while RTAF sent JAS39. J11A was severely defeated in the reports from western media. The truth, of course, is more complicated. In a 2019 lecture at Northwestern Polytechnical University by Li Zhonghua, one of the best test pilots of PLAAF, it was revealed that the J11A suffered mainly from its relatively outdated BVR capabilities. Most (86%) successful attack attempts made by J11A is done in the range of <30km, while the other 14% are all done in 30-50km range. PLAAF noted in this lecture that the maximum shoot range of AIM120C on JAS39 is 80km while for R77 on J11A it is only 50km.
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God can the people who wanna make this a Russia vs China pissing contest please just go somewhere else? This is a thread that should be dedicated to productive conversations about the J-11 and it’s variants for china
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The developer of the PL-12 allegedly said this, but it is not true. We can prove the AIM-120 does 74km from subsonic launch (0.9 mach) at a 0.9 mach target from 10km.
Likewise, the same situation for the R-77 yields closer to 80-100km.
The R-77-1 is a longer missile, more aerodynamic with more motor in it. At the test conditions that the R-77 receives 80km range the R-77-1 has 110km range.
The PL-15E is an export version of the PL-15 with less range, 145km is expected. The PL-15 is rumored to be a dual pulse motor (boost-boost, or boost-sustain-boost). Other missiles that were modified to dual pulse doubled their range (Such as MICA-NG).
So it is expected they might fit a normal single pulse boost-sustain type motor in the PL-15E and leave the dual pulse for the domestic model and the range figures match.
Discussing more so the ranges that they were detecting each other. The Su-27 is a huge aircraft with 15m2+ radar cross section versus the Gripen with less than 3m2, the Su-27 also has the worse radar for these types of conditions.
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Indeed. It is also mentioned in that lecture that the radar interception distance for J11A against JAS39 （with 1.5-2 m^2 RCS as claimed in the same lecture）is only 30-35km.
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