This guy is a troll and feed almost 200 pages by his own subjective analysis.
Please don’t feed it after 00:00 🐌
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The only world in which 12.7 would be fair for these vehicles is if the max BR was actually increased to 14.3 or 14.7 like they should have from the start. All they did with this useless BR adjustment just like they did too ground RB ruining 9.0-10.3 is they moved the compression further up.
Planes that dont have Fox3s and aim9m equivalent armament should never have to face planes that do.
The f20 at 12.7 is useless,9/10 game are up-tiers against fox3s dont get me started on the limited amount of flares or chaff you can carry to begin with . This is not a fair BR for this plane to be sitting at , they either adjust the max BR to 14.3/14.7 or the F-20 will remain a useless overtired piece of shit at 12.7 thanks to these moronic changes .
Who in their right mind would ever take the F-20 when you have the F-16A sitting at 12.7 that is significantly better in every way compared to the F-20 even if it has no aim7s. I would take the 6x9m load-out on the f16 any day over anything the F-20 has to offer.
Again the max BR increase needs to be at least 14.7 and planes that dont carry fox3s or aim9m equivalent weapons nor have enough countermeasures to defend against them should never have to face planes that do carry them.
Its absolute unfair and unbalanced bullshit and insulting on the devs part at what BR some of the planes are at now.Because again, they simply shifted the problem further up instead of actually FIXING the compression problem we have , even a moron would notice this .
Hell id go as far to say I feel scammed having bought the F-20 at this point because its useless garbage at this BR now.
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You know that F20 is essentially unchanged right?
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I’ve tried the uk phantom before and I believe it is adequate in 12.0. It might be weaker than F4S but it’s definitely very capable, with the speed you are pretty much untouchable from anyone.
The only thing it has is speed and it isn’t anything noteworthy. In down tiers, sure the speed is pretty good but besides that it’s slightly above average.
This doesn’t change the fact you’re stuck with the Skyflash, planes can’t outrun missiles you know?
If the MiG-23MLD and MLA both sat at 12.0 then I’d sort of agree at a certain level but this isn’t the case, both the MLD and MLA site at 11.7 so I don’t see why all UK Phantoms cant be there either.
The extremely simple solution would be giving it AIM-9Ls and keep it at 12.0, this wouldn’t change the environment for low BR planes but it would keep the UK Phantoms somewhat competitive at least.
You are missing my main point, jets that dont have fox3s or aim9m equivalent armament should not have to ever meet jets that do.
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I do agree phantom FGs are not nearly as good as F4S, but I think they are still way better than mig23s. in case you didn’t catch that, mig23 just went through some major nerf, now with very incapable radar and chassis that’s pretty much bricks (will even lose dogfight to Mirage F1).
So yeah it’s another situation of BR not decompressed enough, where 12.0 is unfair for phantom FG and 11.7 is unfair for migs.
Giving phantom FG aim9L will certainly make it very distinctive and a good choice at 12.0, but you know gaijin, I’m not sure if they are ever gonna take care of UK or German TT.
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I would not necessarily agree with this, but in my POV F20A should probably be facing subsonic FOX3 carrier like harrier; And only F16 or F15 should face something like F4ICE.
Never ever should an aircraft that carriers FOX1 be facing F15C or Su27SM.
while i agree with your general point about the missing separation between FOX-3 carriers and non-carriers, the F-16A’s at 12.7/13.0 dont get AIM-9M’s, they get L’s.
the only F-16A that gets AIM-9M’s is the belgian one and that sits at 13.3 and the only other with anything else then AIM-9L’s is the israeli Netz at 13.0 with the Python 3’s.
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You are right thats my mistake, I may have been thinking the f16s had access to the 9ms same as the f15a. Ive been generally staying far away from top tier since the introduction of fox3s and the unpleasantly boring game play it has devolved into.
Still there should still be a separation between vehicles that sling fox3s and those that dont. The amount of stand off and advantage a vehicle gets having fox3s vs someone that does not is to big . More so when you consider just the amount of missiles these planes have at their disposal compared to others vehicles .
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I really don’t understand why gaijin didn’t add a seperate matchmaker for ARH planes. Is it that hard to get to the realization that there is no point in matching planes that have 50-80 km launch range with/against planes that have 20 km launch range tops?
The planes with ARHs decide whether they allow close range engagements and those without ARHs just have to hope that the ARH slingers don’t just do the ol’ Tomcat Phoenix spam tactic of just climbing, launching and landing over and over again.
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I wonder why F104S.ASA staying at 12.0, same BR with F4S.
A worst frame, worst SARH, no gun, only 2 - AIM-9L and still be at 12.0
So weird
Very high speed and access to up to 4 AIM-9Ls or 2 AIM-9Ls and 2 Aspides, which also have a much higher speed than most other SARHs, only being beaten by the R-27ER.
I personally would have given the ASA 11.7, but I can see why gaijin would put it at 12.0. It’s a Starfighter, if you play it according to its biggest strength, the speed, it can do well. That being said, Starfighters will always have unusual BR placements due to their extreme reliance on speed, acceleration and climb rate.
F-4K Phantom FG.1 from Royal Navy never armed AIM-9L
I hope reverse BR to 11.0 (Air AB), 11.3 (Air RB) and 10.7 (Air SB) for next major update
Gajin implemented new BR for F-4S (USN). But now lack AIM-9L ?
The F-4S never had AIM-9Ls ingame.
The new BRs affect almost every plane above 10.0 and most of them are a step in the right direction. Reversing the BR changes wouldn’t make any sense, as they should be working on further decompressing BRs by raising the max BR further and addressing the ARH vs non-ARH problem.
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I might hope gajin add AIM-9L on F-4S for next major update
For F-4J Phantom II (USN) and F-4K Phantom FG.1 (RN) only
And I want nerf semi-active radar homing armament on F-4J, AIM-7F switch AIM-7E-2 and down to tier 3 modification but AIM-7F replace with AIM-7E
What? No.
You can’t put the F-4J and F-4K to 11.3 and keep the rest of the BR changes. The F-4E, EJ and Kurnass are at 11.3 already and the MiG-23s are at 11.7. Unless they suddenly decide to raise the max BR to like 15.0 there is no way for the F-4J, J(UK), K, M and S to have different BRs in their current configurations.
Limiting the F-4J to AIM-7E-2s also wouldn’t make any sense.
The F-4S shouldn’t get AIM-9Ls unless they increase its BR further.
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I’m not deny if USN F-4J limited semi-active radar homing AIM-7E & AIM-7E-2, but could add AIM-9H
2 F-4 Phantom II for Royal Air Force (F-4J(UK) & F-4M Phantom FGR.2) only armed AIM-9L except F-4K Phantom FG.1
Sorry, You ask lxtav in DM
I guess gajin decompressing max BR to 15.0 in Q3 2025 or Q1 2026 on aviation rank 9
AIM-9Hs currently are exactly the same as AIM-9Gs ingame. They should have a better tracking rate, but that stat isn’t active ingame, so that trade wouldn’t make any sense. The F-4J should just stay the way it is.
None of them have AIM-9Ls ingame, why are you bringing this up?