The MiG-19 and F-104A/C deserve higher BRs, their speed and acceleration alone is way too big advantages at 9.3
It wasn’t OK then, and isn’t OK now.
Preventing situations like this is the very reason why so many demanded a battlerating decompression in the first place.
To me it seems like a waste of a decompression if all that comes of it is an even increase of every BR by the same 0.7, leaving problematic aircraft like the F-4C and F-4F Early in the same situation as before.
I wish it would be no higher than 10.3 BR at the very least, or even better: change the model to F-4B / F-4D and add countermeasures.
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Tornado Changes are not good.
General feedback was that IDS-Tornados with guided bombs should be the same as the ones with dumb bombs, as their Air to air capabilities are the same:
Tornado IDS (1995)
Tornado GR.1
Tornado IDS ASSTA1
→ now at 11.7, were 11.3
should be the same BR in AirRB as:
Tornado IDS MFG
Tornado IDS WTD61
→ now at 11.3, were 11.0
But no. Instead of lowering the BRs of those 3 they now increased the ones with SAHR missiles.
Tornado F.3
Tornado ADV
→ now at 12.0, were 11.3 and were supposed to increase to 11.7.
The OPPOSITE of what was asked and given as feedback.
Ridiculous. The IDS Tornados are THE SAME in AirRB.
What use are the split BRs if they still ‘balance’ the planes in AirRB by guided munitions.
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Under no circumstance should the F.3 and ADV be at a lower BR than the F-4J/S and Spey Phantoms. The IDS and GR.1 are gonna be fine at 11.7, considering they are actually meeting less modern jets now.
Why su-25sm3 at 12.3?!
Su-25t has a significantly better turn rate, 4 AAMs, DIRCM and better AIR-ground performance.
Su-25T can fight Gripen or F-16A and win, Su-25SM can’t do anything to less manueverable F-16C.
Why su-25sm3 have higher BR?
hey, you guys forgot the F104J 10.3 → 10.7, pls fix asap
thats exactly what my point was
give them worse missiles so they arent dominant but lower their br so they arent completely useless
Bro we are not on 2019 or 2020 anymore.
I mean, it is possible to dodge if you bring rocket with a massive heat signature like the S-21/S-24 or Zuni rockets, but it is no longer possible to dodge missiles by spamming the S-5K rockets like it was done a few years ago.
My question was why are the IDS with guided bombs a higher BR in AirRB than the ones without those guided bombs, while the Air2Air and dumb-bomb loadout is the same.
If they had a higher BR in GroundRB I would understand, but currently they are also higher in AirRB, which makes no sense, as they are the same.
The ADV and the F.3 can go up for all I care, but from reading the previous post I read more feedback about how the IDS-Tornados should all be the same BR and not two of them lower than the others just because they lack guided bombs, which are very very not useful in AirRB.
Just a reminder: the IDS-Tornados all just have 2 Aim-9L,
at the same BR as a MiG-23MLA with 4 R60MK and 2 R24.
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Why does the MLU still have AIM-9P’s? For an aircraft at 13.0, should at least give it AIM-9P-4’s that it used if it can’t get its AIM-9M’s. Hopefully AIM-120’s but that will be the day…
It’s nice to see the J7D finally getting some breathing room.
Did you try 9.3BR after BR changes?
I’ve been flying MiG-19 since the update and I get 9.3-10.3BR game as often as I did when there was a 10.3BR black hole, and my chances of facing against A-10, Su-25, and other missile carriers have hardly changed from before the decompression.
Unlike the old 10.3BR, it no longer faces against MiG-21SMT/MF and F-8E (F-5C was not a problem), but there are still a large number of jets in the 9.3-10.3BR blanket that wipe flareless Gen 2 jets without any skill.
To make the early Gen 2’s playable while moving up to higher BR, the AV-8A, Mirage IIIC/IIICJ, Hunter F.58, A-4N, and F8U etc BR need to go higher as well.
Having said that, the F-104A/F-104C, EEL, MiG-21F-13/J-7II should be moved to BR 9.7 or higher ASAP without changing other plane BRs. F-100s/MiG-19s are next.
And why is that?
It is a subsonic 9.0 airframe with only 2 rear-aspect missiles.
And those missiles are the only reason that plane is 9.7 and not lower.
Yes, the British F.6 is the same BR and not as good, but perhaps the F.6 is overtiered? The Dutch F.6 is 9.0 for comparison.
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oh yeah, but rather than focusing on the su25t, there is the:
su25BM 1.0 gap → 0.7 gap
a10-su25 no gap to being 1 step below f4c
Jaguar IS 1.0 gap → 0.7 gap
similar to the f4ej kai before the change, f4c is being compressed towards those better aircraft
TBH, I had hoped that the MiG-19 after the update would be as insane as it was in 2019, but it wasn’t :/
I got ace in last game but, it was pretty painful because of goddamn missile spammers.
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Yes. The F-4C with 9.3 missiles and an airframe that can’t compete in either speed or maneuverability with many planes at 9.0 - 10.3 is now facing Mig23ML with PD-like radar + R-24R with IOG almost every match. While the F8U is sitting at 10.0 slaughtering people trying to fight F104s in their subsonic with no flare. Or the fact that nothing changed with all aspect facing flareless subsonic or Magic 1s/AIM9Js dedicated fighters with flares fighting flareless subsonic planes. And don’t get me started on the mess that is current 11.0 - 12.0. This BR “decompression” did nothing but make the delicate semblance of balance that we had into complete chaos. Now matches are even more dependent on team composition because so many planes are absolutely useless. Congrats. You ruined the only BR range playable.
Gaijin, I speak with no hyperbole when I say. This might be the single worst Battle rating change you guys have ever put out in the existence of this game. If you had instead released an apology message on the launch of the game in place of these changes, that would’ve been a better outcome than what you pushed out.
So let’s talk about it. IN DETAIL (this is gonna be a long post) I will break it down by new BRs.
10.3 - Nothing bad here tbh
10.7 - Why are the F-4C and Jaguars here? News flash gaijin, the A-5C gets the same missiles as the Jaguars, is a better overall plane, AND YOU PUT IT .3 BR LOWER. Meanwhile the poor F-4C gets garbage radar missiles and garbage IR missiles with no countermeasures, and you’re putting it up against Mig-23s.
11.0 (this one is a hoot) - Now contrary to what most people might think, I’m not worried about the F-5C or F-5A, the planes honestly do handle very well and SARHs are still garbage at this BR range so you don’t need to worry about them. WHAT I WILL LAUGH AT is that somehow the best 11.0 in the game, the 11.0 so good that it could effortless fight on par with 11.3s, the J-7E stayed at 11.0. That is frankly, hilarious, also the J-7D staying at 11.0 is pretty funny but it’s not as egregious as the J-7E which now just got given the most stacked matchmaking buff in existence.
11.3 - Tornado IDS MFG/WTD61 now I’m not upset these got uptiered, but rather confused by something. Why did you guys go out of your way to make separate BRs for air and ground battles, if 1/3 of your high tier jets are still having their ARB BR dictated by GRB. Air wise there is NO DIFFERENCE between any of the IDS Tornados, yet these are 11.3 while the other 3 are 11.7? I’d like an answer here but I know you guys don’t have a good one. MOVING ON, tbh the rest of 11.3 is fine because they downtiered most of the F-5s and F-104s.
11.7 - Tornado IDS ASSTA11/GR.1/IDS (Italy) I already explained why these being this BR makes no sense. Mig 23ML/MLA/MLD, even after the nerfs some of the best former 11.3s in the game, somehow only got a minimal increase? Fun fact, I played this thing today post change, every downtier was literally free kills.
12.0 (This is gonna be a long one) - Tornado ADV/F3 you uptiered them which is good, but guess what, it’s still one of the best 11.3s in the game weapon wise, while this BR isn’t bad for it, this is one of many vehicles that makes the placement of other vehicles at or above this level VERY questionable. Speaking of the Ja37D, a monstrous flight model, great weapons for the BR, good radar, and a comical amount of CMs, it’s got the same issue the Tornado does, the BR is fine but it makes other planes at this BR seem stupid. F-4S/F-4J amazing missiles at the BR, PD radar, meh IR missiles I will summarize by just referring back to the last point. Phantom FG.1/FGR.2/F-4J UK NOW FOR THE PUNCH LINE. Compare these 3 planes to the previously mentioned 12.0s, what do these three phantoms do that those planes don’t do better? Worse missiles, worse FM, less CMs than all but the other phantoms. These have been for years and continue to be the worst Phantoms at this BR range, you made them worse. Either give them their 9Ls (since the Viggen is allowed to have them) or drop it to 11.7.
12.3 - JH-7A daily reminder gaijin, Pythons suck. Why is this 12.3 when the Kfir C7 at 12.0 gets double the amount of pythons, with a better FM… Oh I missed this one btw, the Kurnass 2000. Why the hell is it at this BR? it gets 6 Pythons… whoop dee doo?
12.7 - Fine
13.0 - F-16A ADF/MLU/Netz/AJ so I’m not saying these need to go down, but umm… the JAS39A and F-15As are MILES BETTER than those F-16s. In fact the JAS39A was the best 12.7 in the game before Fox 3s got added, and nothings changed about it since so you just downtiered it for absolutely no reason, and the F-15As people have been saying need to go up since they were added. Now this joke has a punch line that we can find at 13.3.
13.3 - F-16A (Belgium) THIS IS THE PUNCHLINE. This is just an F-16A (A 12.7 plane) with 6 AIM-9Ms, that is all… why in GODS NAME is it 13.3? The JAS39A is OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR IN EVERY SINGLE REGARD and is 13.0, the F-15A gets 4 9Ms and 4 7Ms, PULLS HARDER AND IS FASTER at 13.0. I DEFY YOU TO TELL ME THE REASONING BEHIND THIS PLACEMENT? Oh also the Su-27/ICE/Etc are here despite the JAS39A being better than all of them and the F-15A being on par with all of them.
13.7 - this is fine.
Like Gaijin, I truly defy you to tell me the reasoning behind these decisions (because at it stands this list borders on being AI Generated for how atrocious it is) I said last time I broke the list down that without major changes, this list shouldn’t be published in its current state. Now I admit you did change it, but how did you make it WORSE?
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Netz without SARH or IRCCM gets 13.0? Against 120s and 77s? With only 36 flares??? This has to be a joke.
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These changes were rushed and un-tested. Revert the changes, have a proper testing with feedback in dev, and then roll them out.
To be more specific this is around the BR changes. The stock missile changes were good.
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Agreed.