Sea Harrier, Gr Harriers, AV-8A/AV-8C, and AV-8S discussion about flight performance

Without a doubt the first generation Harriers underperform. I do realize I sound like a broken record but I just want them to fix this iconic aircraft I really am no different to the F-16 boys or the SU27 kids.

Link to bug report:
Sea, Gr, and AV-8 Harriers Induced drag too high // Gaijin.net // Issues

In game they do have near identical G pull and turn rates at given speeds and AOA just like they should, but they are sustaining on average 2 G less in any given sustained turn then what NASA documents as well as what the Royal Aircraft Establishment Technical Report 77021 state.

I believe that in game the only thing they need changed is the induced wing drag across the AOA range. In doing so the turn rate chart and max G chart will remain accurate with the harrier and the sustained G chart will increase to what its IRL values are. Inversely this also can mean the engine needs to make more thrust as airspeed increases.

Examples and tests:

(All tests I trialed in game are with a spaded Gr.3 Harrier with only gun pods and 30 mins internal fuel.)

(Technical Report 77021 features a Gr.3 with 2x100 gallon drop tanks on the inboard pylons and 2xaim9G on the outer; this gives the real aircraft a significant amount more drag at any Alpha. Standard weight of 15500LBS and a gross thrust at sea level of 95.5% Nf/Radical of 0 (rotational engine power). There is a chart with thrust output at different Mach values with .7 Mach being 27018Lbs/thrust)

First test from Report 77021:

Normal acceleration versus longitudinal acceleration at .7 Mach nozzles aft
Az/g= 6.25 at 10 degrees AOA while still accelerating and 6.5G at a value near 11 degrees AOA while maintaining 0 Ax/g acceleration longitudinally (maintaining forward airspeed)

In game test at .7 Mach below 300 Meters altitude 95% throttle or over 100% rotational speed:
Unable to maintain speed at 10 AOA.
4.8G sustained at 9 degrees AOA at .7 +/- .01 Mach

Test 2 TR 77021:
No flaps .85 Mach nozzles aft
Sustaining speed at 7.5 degrees AOA at 8.75 G

In game:
Maintaining speed at 6.5 degrees AOA 5.2G

Conclusions:
According to the NAVAIR AV-8A flight manual for the Marines the Harrier could sustain just over 15 degrees a second at 466 knots (.7 Mach) and 6.5 G with a weight of 17,090 lbs and a turn radius very near 3000 feet.
Last test was at .95 Mach and the Gr.3 in game cannot even reach this clean. The IRL aircraft was sustaining 5.25G at around 4 degrees AOA.

Documents: (Declassified)


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I however see gaijin making no changes. They just simply do not care about this game being accurate or historical but simply making profit off of peoples under tiered premiums.

By all means if anyone thinks my in game tests are incorrect please do test for yourself as some have in the past trying to prove me incorrect and when you do test them post them here and in the bug report as more evidence.