Bummer dude
Counter argument: but it looks cool.
Nah hull looks too big. I prefer standart scimitar because its compact.
Also some t series look cool but this doesnt make them smth you should play.
Great news!
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Nice. Can anyone send a screenshot of the performance of L21A1 in-game?
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Here you go:
And its APDS for comparison:
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Ideal, cheers. The new dart definitely offers a nice boost to velocity, angled pen, and ranged pen.
Hopefully it doesn’t detract from the post pen damage significantly but I have my doubts.
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That’s not much of an improvement tbh
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Yeah, those high range pen values are much better.
Well, I would probably still suggest taking in a belt of the APDS for light tanks/SPAAs. The weight of the APDS = 0.3 kg and the APFSDS = 0.16 kg. 50% reduction in mass. Buuuuut, being able to actually pen is better than “shell shattered” messages 😂
The ranged pens are significantly better. The “big pen” number at the top right, sure, not “much different” but take a look at the full breakdown.
Even at 1,000 meters, some of the pen values are already double. 1,000 meters at 60 degrees is over double the pen.
I have not tested anything personally, I have not even crew trained it yet. But I will probably get it spaded now that it has darts. If anyone gets some matches in using its darts, please let us know what you think 👍
You know thats not true. In 13 years of playing this game the introduction of the base PUMA at 8.3 was and is still one of the most botched vehicle introduction ive ever witnessed. basically unkillable from the front in one shot, even basically impossible to critically damage from the front from vehicles at its br of which theres quite some that didnt even have stabilizers. Either that or they had/have terrible gun handling, bad optics and such bad early darts that non penning frontally was not a rare thing. While youre zooming around the map with 25 hp/ton, gen 3 commander and gunner thermals and a autocannon that takes out barrels in 1 or two hits. It was actually dumb. As far as im concerned way worse than the BMPTs. It was introduced at 8.3!!! and is 10.3 now…Possibly a bit too high but still…2 whole BRs…All you could hear on the maps was the constant chack chack chack of 15 to 20 of them disabling unresponsive early mbts, t55s or shredding light tanks that couldnt touch it at all.
BUT
the speed in which it was moved up in BR righfully is one of the quickest BR increases in WT history ever. Introduced at march 24th 2022 it went from 8.3 to 9.0 in April, 2 weeks later iirc. I cant recall a single vehicle in WT history that skipped a whole BR step going up 2 weeks after its introduction. And it still went up afterwards with almost the same speed. Compared to that the BMPTs moved up in…well…pun intended…in a snail’s pace.
In my humble opinion it doesnt really make sense comparing one horrible vehicle introduction to another, as in BUT BUT BUT in this tech tree theres this bad example…All of us can play all tech trees and we all get screwed over by the snail whenever they decide they still dont wanna learn from past mistakes the next time. Like, the PUMA was the prime example how bad it is for certain BR ranges if a mobile tank with an autocannon and MBT like survivability (hull) and crewless turret that could be 1 or two whole BR steps higher gets brought into cold war territory. But yet, somehow, they manage to repeat on their mistakes.
Fully agree with this tho. Its kinda amazing how a constant influx of very powerful or OP vehicles of different roles and gamemodes (BMPT, Pantsir, Pantsir SM-SV, Su30Mk2AMV, Sovjetsky Sojuz, Mi28nm) doesnt help at all at beating the allegations.
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ffs they added apfsds and it isn’t even the right pen
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If you have proof, please make a bug report. The longer it waits, the lower the odds of it being changed.
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honestly thats where i use the APHE, enough pen for the thin skin stuff and ive had it one-tap the crew of M109s before so plenty filler to get the job done
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Good suggestion too. Only issue I usually have with APHE is the lower “angle of attack with a chance of ricochet” being 100% at only 65 degrees.
I do not have enough belts unlocked yet to check, can you take APHE, APDS, and Darts at the same time? Or is it limited to 2 types of ammo belts? I would take all 3 if it I had the choice. Often a lot of the IFV’s/light tanks only get to take in 2 types of belts.
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gonna try to at least. We all know what the bug report team are like
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I feel you on that. Sooner is still much better, here’s to hoping it gets accepted and implemented in a timely manner 🙏
Please post a link to your report here later so we can click on the “same issue” button too 👍
A friend of mine is making one. I’ll post it here when he’s done it
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If anyone gets some matches in using its darts, please let us know what you think 👍
They change literally nothing, which was entirely predictable. The one thing that wasn’t an issue with this tank was the ammo types.
Ranged pen is better? Guess what, big maps are almost extinct in today’s rotation, it doesn’t matter if it pens more at 1km when your average engagement is at 500m or less. It pens the same things the APDS did and non-pens the same things the APDS did. It still does effectively zero damage when it does pen. It is still woefully overtiered.
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It definitely feels better but I’ll chalk that up to pure placebo. 10 extra mm of penetration is 10 extra mm, but it doesn’t really change the gameplay loop. Scout drone is definitely nice to have, but the real game changer will be when the armor becomes removable
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