Schneider CA

[eleks12]

[Would you like to see this in-game?]

• Yes
• No

Hi guys.

Here is another tank from WW1 i would love to see in War Thunder 1 day. The Schneider CA. :)

History

The Schneider CA was France first attempt to make a production tank to be sent to combat during the first world war.
The project began when the French army’s engineer technical section wanted to improve Armored cars off road capabilities by building diffirent wheels and tracks.
Some off these Armored cars and tractors were sent to the front to push through barbed wire and other obstacles. However they didnt really have a positive impact on the battlefield.
So the French decided that it was necesary to look at a fully tracked vehicle.
The Schneider company was at the time a very respected armerment company creating guns and ammunition. But also armor plates for ships. And this expertise were to be used to their upcoming tank.
Colonel Estienne understood that having an mobile armored platform on the battlefield that could bring soldiers safely from artillery and machinegun and sniper fire to an enemy trench would require a vehicle simular to what would become the Schneider CA which he would help develop.
The Schneider CA was specifically designed to carry the short 75mm field gun in order to deal with enemy fortifications and machine gun nests in order to push the front.
The tank first saw combat during the Nivelle Offensive but the result was a disaster since the machines got stuck in mud anyway and got destroyed by field guns and artillery.
The Schneider CA had a painfull weakspot were the fualtank in the front was exposed and the german took advangage off that with their field guns and heavy machine guns which gave the Schneider CA the nickname called Mobile Crematoriums. A heavy toll of the Schneider CA was lost during the Nivelle Offensive.
The Schneider CA was Quickly replaced by more advanced tanks such as the FT-17 and the Saint Chamond.

Tank overview and specification

The Tank had a crew of 6 a Driver, Gunner for the 75mm gun 2 Machine gunners, a Comander and a Loader.
The engiene was the Schneider 4 cyl petrol and could deliver 60 hp.
The tank had a top speed of 8 km/h.
The weight off the tank was 13.6 tons.
The amor was 11 mm + 5.5 mm spaced (0.43+0.21 in) acording to tank-encyclopedia
The main gun was the Schneider 75 mm blockhaus gun.

Schneider CA - YouTube

In War Thunder

In War Thunder this tank would require a total rework off rank 1. So in order to make this tank be able to be implamented i have made this concept tree for the Schneider CA to sit in.

Sources

Schneider CA (1915)

http://www.landships.info/landships/tank_articles/Schneider_CA1.html

Saumur Armored Museum: the history of the tank

Task to Unlock WW1, Tier 1 rework or Tier 0 Reward line.

“Old Suggestion”
Schneider CA - France - War Thunder - Official Forum

[shangxiang]

Guys who vote yes: remember that vehicle is a FIRST world war tank WITHOUT ANY anti-tank capacities… His guns are for infantery support
With that vehicles, only france and gb can have tank at this level.

[warner7]

fun tank to play as a shield

[Bring_TheBigGun]

I feel like the up armored Saint Chamond would be a much better addition, more armor a proper anti-tank gun and essentially the same mobility.

[ImportantSimone5]

Approved +1.

[DMYEugen]

+1 Especially now that the Great War event going on. The Garford’s HE is surprisingly potent so I think there could be a place for this thing in either a future event or even a more serious expansion into WW1.

[Spr4yz]

Indeed.
The rounds for the 75mm Blockhaus-Schneider are pretty much equally as potent. This source, which is a scan from a 1918 manual, provides data on two HE-rounds.
The M1900N with 775 grams of filler. The filler type is most likely Melinite (Picric Acid, 1.1x TNTe), for an equivalent of 852.5 grams of TNT, which can pen 12mm of RHA with overpressure.
The M1915PN/GN with 740 grams of filler. Unknown what the PN and GN designation is exactly, but it uses the 24/31 dual-action fuze with both impact and timed detonation. So if you’re feeling lucky you can slug away rounds at aircraft, I guess lol.

[memer4life9000-psn]

+1, I’d love to see more WW1 vehicles! I don’t care how bad they are, I want them.

[Insanerobert]

I don’t think this would be any good in War Thunder. Even in WW1, this vehicle was replaced and surviving models transformed into support vehicles, like ammo carriers or recovery vehicles. As an AI target though, it could do well for additional tasks.

[Atomeur]

Playing a 8km/h tank is very hard on war thunder, but playing a tank going at 8 km/h AND with a gun oriented at the side of the tank will be for extreme professionnals !!

[Bring_TheBigGun]

Honestly, my opinion on this tank completely changed, i did some research in ww1 tanks after the ww1 event this year, and consequently i found a lot of information on the Schneider CA too.

So first, this thing is very well armored for a WW1 tank, the original armor was 11.5mm thick on all sides (exept roof and floor), which was quickly found to be inadequate, so the french developed the “Surblindé” kit to the tank, it added 8mm of armor spaced 20 to 40mm away from the original armor, pretty much on all sides too, even the roof got 5mm of armor added in some parts of it, some areas of the vehicle also got the 5mm extra of armor.

So we’re looking at 19.5mm of armor all around and some areas are even 24.5mm thick, this is very good for a ww1 tank, the tank has spaced armor and the plates are very well angled! Also unlike the Mk. V, the gun shield on this is thicker than the rest of the armor, it’s 25mm thick. Also the “nose” of the tank, isn’t hallow, it has a plate of armor behind it, before it reaches the driver’s position, so it’s even more spaced armor.

Second of all, the gun on this, “oh but it’s only a 75mm with HE” yesn’t, it’s a 75mm blockhaus gun, this thing performs very similarly to the gun on the Garford truck! The gun on the Garford is a 76.2mm, the shell weights 6.4kg and has 785g of HE filler it can penetrate up to 24mm of armor

Although smaller, the 75mm on the Schneider CA, also has a lot of explosive filler, 740g, and the Shell weights 5.3kg, the armor penetration could be around the same or very similar values to the Garford gun due to how much HE filler the round has. So no, it’s not useless against tanks.

So yes, i would very much LOVE to see the Schneider CA being added to the game, and i have no idea why it didn’t got added with the great war event. So like i said, my opinion on this vehicle completely changed, and this is a +1 for me.

[PlayedStatue626-live]

+1 more old vehicles would be cool

[Bring_TheBigGun]

Hey and what about that other round, it says it can fire 2 round right? The “Obus Explosif Mˡᵉ 1900 N” it says it has 775g of explosive, that almost the same HE filler that the “76mm Granata” from the Garford Truck has 785g of HE filler and it can penetrate 24mm of armor, so the gun on the Schneider would probably pen around that value…?

If yes or kinda, that’s even better for a ww1 tank. Honestly, i don’t even care about the 8kph top speed lol, the Mk. V has the same speed xd

[Xoiball-psn]

I voted yes bc you bring it to top tier and try to get a kill.

[Caernarvon02]

bob semple but worse somehow

[Bring_TheBigGun]

I don’t see how it could be worse than the bob semple… the bob semple was armed with only machine guns, no anti-tank capabilities, it also didn’t really have real armor, it was build out of corrugated steel.

The Schneider CA has more armor, with better angles, spaced armor, machine guns all around too and a gun that can kill tanks, and it has more crew. It’s better than the bob semple.

In a theoretical tank combat, the bob semple wouldn’t be able to penetrate the armor of the SchneiderCA, if a single shot from the Schneider blockhaus connected it would devastate the poor bob semple.

[Caernarvon02]

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[Bring_TheBigGun]

Oh… ok, i guess… :(