Scharnhorst 380mm gun refit (draft)

                 Scharnhorst 380MM refit


Hello this is my solution to the Scharnhorst problem.
currently at 7.3 Scharnhorst is too strong her armor is just too good, but her guns are similar in fire power to WW1 battle ships. my solution is give Scharnhorst same refit as the Gneisenau as her guns are very strong and she can compete with even 8.3s, excluding South Dakota also this would more evenly fill in the gap at the battle cruiser line with her being moved to 7.7-8.0.

history

the Scharnhorst has same barbettes as they are sister ships and would both require them to be cut out to refit the 380mm cannons.

Scharnhorst never had the opportunity to undergo the refit due to it be canceled at the start of the war the only reason Gneisenau did is because she was sunk in 1942 and also political pressures preventing the refit

" It had been originally planned to regun the Scharnhorst class with 38 cm guns and then use the surplus 28 cm turrets to arm the first three of a new generation of Panzerschiffes, the “Kreuzer P” class. Additional guns and mountings were to be built to arm additional units of this class. However, all of these plans were abandoned at the start of the war.

After Gneisenau was badly damaged during a bombing raid in 1942, her guns were then used for coastal artillery emplacements. Turret Caesar still remains as a museum exhibit at Austrått Fort (Batterie Ørlandet) which is near Trondheim in Norway. Turret Bruno was used at Fledt, near Bergen. Turret Anton was too badly damaged to repair, so her individual guns were used to arm batteries in Denmark and the Netherlands."

“it had been planned to rearm the small battleships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau with these weapons. No serious work ever started for Scharnhorst , but three turrets were under construction during the early 1940s to rearm Gneisenau . After Gneisenau was badly damaged in 1942,”

specifications

Armour

Citadel150 / 320 / 80 mm

Main fire tower360 / 220 / 320 mm

Hull25 mm (steel)

Superstructure16 mm (steel)

Number of sections10

Displacement39,000 t

Crew1,908 persons

Max speed

Forward58 km/h

Backward22 km/h

Primary armament

3 × Turret — 2 × 38 cm/52 SK C/34 cannon

Ammunition756 rounds

Reloadbasic crew → aces

29.5 → 22.7 s

Vertical guidance-8 / 40°

Turret Rotation Speed

Horizontal6 °/s

Vertical5.4 °/s

Available ammunition

Secondary armament

4 × Turret — 2 × 15 cm/55 SK C/28 cannon

Ammunition1,600 rounds

Reloadbasic crew → aces

9.8 → 7.5 s

Vertical guidance-10 / 40°

Turret Rotation Speed

Horizontal8 °/s

Vertical9 °/s

sources

Germany 38 cm (14.96") SK C/34 - NavWeaps
Germany 28 cm (11") SK C/34 - NavWeaps
here are the technical drawings of the scarnhorst class
https://archive.org/download/yn125bogp1936/yn125bogp1936.pdf
https://archive.org/download/yn125td1935/yn125td1935.pdf
https://archive.org/download/yn235td1935/yn235td1935.pdf
Gneisenau | War Thunder Wiki

would you like to see this refit added ?

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With historically accurate reloads times of 70+ seconds right? As both Scharnhorst and Gneisenau would lack loading assistance due to the smaller size of the ships

im gonna try to get them moved up as scarnhorst is unbalanceble in her current state as she lacks the fire power to do any meaningful damage to a 7.7 or higher but has armor of a 8.3-8.0

even the weakest 7.7s with just 400mm of armor can cause her rounds to detonate early doing no damage

and they set reload times to whatever they feel is balanced nothing i can say can change that

we must now wait and see if it passes