hope people didnt forget about HOW gaijin absolutely gutted the performance of Rolands, 9m311.
both of these missiles become AWFUL after the ATGM “fix” since somehow devs and community managers absolutely ignored the feedback, there’s more SACLOS SAM’s that were affected by this but not like this.
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And how the Russian missiles weren’t affected by the change
They were, but because their range and the fact that people couldn’t see them on RWR no one cared, cause they are still OP anyway.
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It can’t be reverted cause documents are what caused the change to begin with.
You have to find documents to counter their own documents, which is unlikely cause at least with TOWs and Rolands, they are rather accurate.
@Sea_Harrier_FRS1
All Soviet missiles were impacted by the change.
@141_allen
Just like all NATO SACLOS missiles don’t show up on RWR.
Moving backwards is not an answer.
The old SACLOS system was a very bare-bones, extremely hand-waved missile simulation. Had no place ingame when other missiles like IR ones had much more detailed modelling.
It was the last holdout mechanic from when ATGMs were first added, back when they didn’t even really have ranges.
The new one is a much better, detailed simulation, it just needs to be more finely tuned per missile.
And they’ve been tuning them regularly with the major updates.
People still believe that myth?
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Only for SPO15LM, but in that case, what does. NVM Pantsir’s K band being invisible for most part of a year to most CAS.
I still had a few Russian vehicles after the patch and the missiles felt the exact same, so I got that impression
All top NATO SPAA have IR tracking options, which is what players used at least from 2019 - 2024.
And TOR M1 isn’t in a NATO tech tree.
Everything SACLOS was changed
for tows the changes were very inaccurate, I am unsure of there current state but as of ~2 months ago tow maneuverability and control was very much under preforming
RWR can detect their guidance signals and provide a launch warning even if the track does not produce any warning
The maneuverability of TOWs were fixed last year and are in-line with what they’re supposed to be. They even stopped dropping [when using gunner sights instead of barrel sights], and limited video evidence of maneuvering TOWs are in-line with War Thunder.
Best way to test TOWs is with helicopters cause you can better see their maneuverability.
they can absolutely be reverted, there’s lots of TOW firing tests on youtube to gloss over it and roland 3 missile performance documentation is currently available to the public, for example:
- roland 3 never overleads on the flakrakpz 1
- its missing the 2 stage motor
- jets cannot avoid it by doing a slight turn
here’s public documentation about the rolands
https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_old_pdf.cfm?ARC_ID=1097
Almost all if not all SACLOS missiles in-game perform more accurately now than they ever did 3 years ago.
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uhh they didnt fix it, I-TOW keeps doing that and its unresponsive until 1 second after launch (its the improved version meaning it FIXED MOST OF THESE PROBLEMS)
same missile, look how it goes into a straight line and its responsive enough.
an historical inaccurate “fix”, they dont act like this in real life even on earlier missile models (and even if they were historical then the improved version like roland 3 and 9m311-m1 already fixed that)
Looks exactly like War Thunder.
Also the TOW missile in War Thunder guides directly after its initial launch phase.
Ok, so why are we still pretending every SAM works like a “go here” laser pointer in SACLOS? There is no half assing this
What has changed? Roland is still garbage since they changed it
It doesnt, begleit’s I-TOW still drops down and its unresponsive
Test drives are not reliable for stuff like this you know? Local and server behaves wildly different