SAAF JAS-39C Technical Data and Discussion

How many pieces are in the package?

The rail holds 160 packets of chaff / IR decoy. Each packet gets ejected from the launcher one at a time.
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The BOL countermeasures have been made less effective than other standard size countermeasures in game. This is incorrect (the chaff should be about as effective as standard chaff, and the IR packet more effective than a standard size flare), and has been reported with appropriate sources.

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Each of the blue circles is a single packet, and can be released 1 packet at a time or in bursts.

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I don’t know if you missed it but Gaijin already nerfed the crap out of them, they have much less burn time and luminosity even compared to small caliber flares

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I must have missed it.

They made burn time much lower, don’t remember how much, luminosity was dropped like 75% and they also made you drop twice as many flares per “pop” as before, so they effectively both made them >75% less effective and you go through them twice as fast

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Flares RN

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Anyone think they might accept this camo suggestion for the SAAF gripen

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Do we have some sort of list that indicates where normal countermeasures are in place and where large countermeasures are in place?

What do you mean?

This looks better for dealing with IIR seekers

That is what it is designed to counter, make a IR cloud big enough that there is no way for the missile to see any part of the plane

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Oh btw guys as it mightve not been noticed, theres a further Gripen FM nerf.
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There should be a few more down the pipeline.

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Then we can start buffing other areas of the Gripen that have been artificially nerfed

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Do you have sources for you claim btw? As it stands rn the A should perform better than the C but iirc the game stats that they are the exact same in flight performance despite them weighing different amounts.

Are you discussing the FM? I’m only discussing the FM. Other areas can also be reported and fixed simultaneously and are handled by other devs.

yesn’t the typical 118 pattern countermeasure uses a denser packing of chaff compared to bol (the roll of fibre is about just over a inch in diameter, bol uses a less compressed folded box section instead of rolled tube), a single 118 has nominal weight of about 137g going by the Chemring Countermesures datasheet, a single bol flatpack is only 45g (again going by CCM’s datasheet). The advantage of bol is packing density, there’s no pyro, nor do you need room for the firing mechanisms behind every countermeasure, + the shipping is a less of a PITA

Gaijin model standard chaff in game after the PPR-26 chaff cartridge which weighs 55 g compared to BOL’s 45 g. So by the time you account for the difference in construction (metal Vs plastic) the amount of chaff in a BOL packet is likely about the same as is in a PPR-26 cartridge.

That difference in mass in no way justifies BOL having a 75% decrease in radar signature, as it currently does in game.

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Used to work at chemring lmao, that experience was what I was basing my comments on. You do not want to know how many times I rewrote my original comment to not even give a hint of breaking NDA lmao

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