I had a report in for the 65D on the SAAF Gripen. But those materials also cover G/H.
I’ll update my report.
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Cheers mate.
Looking forward to giving them a go, because the current mavericks in game rarely kill mbts for me
Regularly passing reports speaks for itself. They meet gaijins criteria, if you disagree that’s entirely a personal issue.
So why is it always the same issue brought up if there are so many additional examples?
I’m not even the one who proved the Gripen’s SEP is absurd, I just called it out early on. I’m not even the only person pointing out this issue, others did.
Doesn’t matter, until it’s reported and accepted it’s still a present issue and worth discussion. You’ll notice I hardly discuss the other issues currently such as instability… It’s been reported and Gaijin just has yet to fix it.
What you’re suggesting is Gaijin will fix it if we don’t report it and just wait. That 100% isn’t the case. Look at the F-5A and F-5E. They overperform so drastically that the F-5E actually outperforms the F-20 Tigershark’s known data. When it was reported they made the decision to leave it as-is because it’s been in the game too long and they don’t feel like changing older flight models. The F-16 and Gripen may very well end up the same way.
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If they are bug reports about the Gripen…. In the Gripen thread… sounds on topic to me……
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He’s not discussing the Gripen or the bug reports, or providing anything new though. He’s just talking about how often he submits bug reports, and that is supposedly meant to be an indicator of how good his sources are. If he wants to give himself a pat on the back he can do it elsewhere - people coming to this thread to discuss the Gripen shouldn’t have to be subjected to it.
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Another thread slowly joining the Nuke list, great
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Can you two continue this elsewhere. like a bedroom or a DM either works aslong as its not here. this somehow sparked out of a poor sod trying to work out if R-Darter could be mounted to a Rail with BOL on it and now its just a slapfight.
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I DM’d him, he just doesn’t want to take it out of the thread. Let’s not keep back and forth unless there is information relevant to the formation of reports and fixes / discussion of the Gripen, though
Just as an example, your own comment could have been a DM to either of us. No need to further clutter the thread with what has already been said.
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First of all, I largely left that thread hundreds of replies / 1-2 weeks before it was shut down, I think we both know the main culprit/s. Second I’m being very cordial with you, I’ve simply nicely asked if you could make a thread about it - saying you’d be able to get a productive discussion going. I’ve made my intentions clear. Stop spinning it.
I was part of it for over 1000 replies in that thread, trying to get some productive discussion with you (I gave up on feet long ago). You mostly ignored 90% of my message and the information I found on canards and just hyper fixated on one small detail, sometimes ignoring my message/question altogether. I’m aware you were on a road trip though and may have missed it but still. That together with constant derailment from other people made it hell.
You literally asked devs/mods and got the go-ahead to use certain reasoning/charts for a report, and indicated you’d make a report if no-one else did ‘in a month or so’ (paraphrasing, not skimming through 2000+ replies)
Where are we trying to buff its performance? We were all part of a weeks long thread on the performance/accuracy and literally got nowhere except a nasty environment. Anyone is free to bug report this stuff at any time, why are you so concerned about what we’re concerned about?
I’m not dismissing anything, You’re blissfully unaware of how sick everyone is of that topic after what happened. At least offer a new perspective with some sources if you’re going to instigate again.
Because that’s literally how the community goes about fixing/changing stuff… We make bug reports??? You’re very aware of this. As for the ‘death threats’ you’re claiming happened back when air superiority released 3 months ago, where did this even happen? If it’s not clearly trolls I suggest you file a police report.
I gave very valid criticism to the charts which was the entire foundation upon the performance in question (Aside from constant dogfight/video spam). I think you know this, IIRC you never actually criticised/answered the questions I raised about them.
Please… Everyone will appear biased arguing their point but I’m nowhere near as biased as feet. It’s literally hilarious watching him constantly spin narratives with his ‘sim experiences’ to make a point. That’s literally what 90+% of his 300 posts in the thread consisted of.
He literally did so here again yesterday (when someone called him out over having worse stats in the Gripen than in a Su27 after making the Gripen out to be the most handheld easiest most overpowered jet in the game ever.) comparing Schezerade’s K/D in Su27 vs JAS-39 to make a point of how people earn a staggering +3K/D just by switching to the JAS-39 when in reality it’s because of Blue-sides vastly superior RWR/Radar, situational awareness and invisible missiles in sim. The same player has a +2K/D in both F16A and F16C over the JAS-39… I guess the F16’s must be the most handheld jets in the game?..
Using K/D and ‘player stats’ to judge a flight model is absolutely ridiculous and the fact that he’s constantly resorting to doing so is telling. You might have some dunning Kruger in you, even Feet attest to this but at least you’re able to conduct some interesting discussions on flight-models (sometimes) and don’t constantly derail with unproductive statements
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I’m afraid I’m not that knowledgeable but I don’t think the rail specifically is a limitation as much as the aircraft’s systems architecture. R-Darter could theoretically be integrated with the Gripen but as it was retired before the Gripen entered SAAF service it’s unlikely. The Gripen’s weapon systems are designed for “easy” (as easy as that can be, anyway) integration of stores based on user requirements to make it more attractive for export so in theory it would be possible. One obstacle is that the Israeli Derby, which is extremely similar to R-Darter, tends to be equipped to planes using specifically Israeli radar units. For instance, the Cheetah C and Kfir C.10 both use the EL/M-2032 radar which is an Israeli system.
I’ll just DM you, there are concerns about the potential for this to turn into a slap fight. Y’all really gonna leave it up to me to make the big boy decision, though?
But the Gripen radar isn’t like this but they seem to be planning to give it R darter any way
I don’t know if that’s what he said but it’s true. I’d argue there have been very few times when a plane has had this large of a performance gap against everything else in the game and in this specific case it’s due to an erroneous flight model.
While fixing the FM doesn’t solve all the worlds problems, it is a problem being solved. Yet not a soul has tried putting together a report to fix the issue. It keeps getting ignored. Had it been a buff they would have reported it a long long time ago.
I mean, like I said it’s what usually happens with Derby installations. Rafael says themselves that they can integrate Derby onto platforms that don’t even have a radar. Personally I think there are multiple things that could happen in the future so it’s too early to say that “Gaijin seems to be planning R-Darter for the Gripen”.
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well it either that on they planning the Cheetah C
Is the fact that they are using the Gripen to test the R-Darter on the dev server not a relatively good indicator?
We’ll go through the rest in DM at some point
I genuinely would have, I am hindered by being on console though, I cannot conduct any in-game tests and use stuff like “WRTRI” or whatever it’s called. I’m also carefully managing where I put my focus IRL. Recently things have been busy and the thread was going nowhere, hence why I got out of that thread 1-2 weeks before it got locked. Anyone is free to make these bug reports, I also don’t know why no-one has gotten around to it, especially feet with all that ‘conviction’ he’s got in his charts.
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it might just be to test R darter as the cheetah isn’t in the game
If its strapped to the Gripen I’d expect to see it in production on the Gripen.
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i guess but they did have R73s on the mig29s on the dev