They’re not good at anything besides sniping. They can’t flank, they can’t rush choke points, and they can’t do what literally every other nations can. Although beating out the T series and the Chinese MBT in sniping department but they have other option for gameplay.
But that where the upside end , you either sit back and pick a good sniping spot to support your team or suffer. Giving Challies bettter armour would not help the situation in anyway possible when they are the heaviest MBT in the game
Unless your teammate actually use more than 2 brain cells you will suffer. I suggest changing to another nation , it is definitely not you being bad luque. It just the ground top tier force for Britain is pretty ass. Maybe Challies 3 can improve the situation but as of now nothing can help it. Not to mention you will be match with US and horde of Premium player. Yeah I would not recommend anyone to play Brit, maybe the air tree and the naval tree but that it.
First to develop a properly working ERA and use it in the field is Israel, not USSR. Bogdan Voitsekhovsky invented the concept in 1950 but the Soviets couldn’t make it work without damaging the tank. The concept was then shelved by the Soviets for decades. Dr. Manfred Held independently made a better ERA in the early 70s, IDF bought the concept, funded it, and created Blazer, fielding it in combat by 1982, 1 year before Kontakt-1 was put on Soviet tanks.
They are also not the first to use autoloaders; the AMX-13 did it first. On top of it, the AMX-13 autoloader design ended up being much more visionary(bustle rack revolver) than the carousel autoloader found on Soviet tanks.
Only fools would say the USSR invented nothing, but they were technologically backward, especially when it comes to anything electronics. The gap started in 1947 when US Bell Labs invented the transistor. The USSR was really damn good at building vacuum tubes but failed to catch up with transistors. By the 60s, integrated circuits were a thing in the West while the USSR was still struggling with early 50s germanium point-contact transistors designs. By the 70s and microprocessors, the USSR already had a 15-year gap in electronics.
The West invented so much more foundational technologies, it’s not even a fair competition. Here’s an already extensive yet incomplete list of Western techs:
Spoiler
Civilian
transistor (Bell Labs, 1947)
integrated circuit (Jack Kilby / Texas Instruments, 1958)
microprocessor (Intel 4004, 1971)
Internet / ARPANET (DARPA, 1969)
UNIX (AT&T Bell Labs, 1969)
personal computer (Altair 8800 / MITS, 1975)
GUI (Xerox PARC, 1973)
fiber-optic communications (Corning, USA, 1970)
laser (Theodore Maiman / USA, 1960)
semiconductor lithography / mass silicon fabs (Texas Instruments / USA, 1958)
CNC machining / industrial robotics (MIT Servo / USA, 1952 first demo)
MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) (Damadian / USA, 1977 first full scan)
recombinant DNA / genetic engineering (Cohen & Boyer / USA, 1973)
PCR (Kary Mullis / USA, 1983)
modern microelectronics / VLSI chips (Intel, USA, 1970s)
carbon-fiber composites (Union Carbide / USA, 1963)
Ground
First Surface-to-Air Missile (Nike Ajax / USA, 1953)
First Night Vision(M1/M1A1 Sniperscope / USA, 1944)
First Thermal sight(US Army / Late 70s)
First laser-guided artillery round (M712 Copperhead / USA, early 1970s)
Kevlar (DuPont, USA, 1965)
Air/Space
GPS (U.S. DoD, 1978 first satellite launch)
jet engine (Frank Whittle / UK, 1937 first run)
First Sweep-wing aircraft (F-111 / USA, 1964 first flight)
high-bypass turbofan (Pratt & Whitney JT3D, 1958)
Pulse Doppler radar (MIT Lincoln Lab / USA, 1950s)
Fly-by-wire (F-16 / USA, 1976 first operational)
satellite communications (Telstar / USA, 1962)
precision-guided munitions (AGM-62 / USA, 1967)
stealth technology (F-117 / USA, 1981 first flight)
Naval
nuclear-powered submarine (USS Nautilus / USA, 1954)
Tear drop shape submarine (USS Albacore / USA, 1953)
nuclear-powered surface ship (USS Long Beach / USA, 1961)
First naval SAM (Sea Slug / UK, 1961)
SLBM (Polaris/ USA, 1960)
In game I agree they are a poor tank, we were referring more to real world performance.
Additional armour would allow the CR2 to kind of brawl instead of having to sit back and support.
That’s great and all but I was talking about tanks.
Russia did invent ERA, in the 1949 but it didn’t go into serial production until the early 1980s for a few reasons. That is was pointless at the time, and the problems they faced creating it, at which time the Israel’s in 1979-1981 had made their own version to implement on tanks. Both nations put ERA into production at the same time but Russia did invent this, that is irrefutable.
The AMX-13 is an assist loader. Not an auto loader, Russia was the first to use this concept to reduce crew size.
Russia may have invented the concept(and one that wasn’t working properly at the time), but a German scientist with the help of the Israelis were the first to make it a reality and deploy it operationally.
???
The AMX-13 is literally an autoloader. It’s a fully mechanical system reloading the main gun. There is no human interaction in it other than refilling the autoloader once it’s empty similar to what you would need to do on an empty soviet autoloader. The French made this system specifically to remove the human loader from the tank and make the tank smaller/lighter that way.
IS-6 is an assist loader, with a mechanical system helping the loader but not outright replacing it.
Armor is one thing, which will get neglected by everyone with half a braincell anyways.
What CR2 needs is a buff to the absurd big breach and front plate, mobility and maybe even a better shell.
Right now they are just all around not fun to play.
The AMX-13 is explicitly an auto loader.
Soviets were not the first, nor was the French; USA invented the tank autoloader, and France was the first to put a vehicle in service with an autoloader.
No they didn’t, they actively failed by the 1960s to invent a functioning piece of ERA that would work.
The initial prototypes failed due to insufficient theoretical analysis and poor design, and the project was shelved. So they came up with the idea, but they couldn’t create a functional piece of ERA, which later the German scientist with Isreal actively made.
The concept was theirs, the functional ERA was invented by Isreal and a German scientist.
There we go, I never knew that the first half of that.
They never invented the ERA in of itself as we know it, the concept was russian. Not the ERA we seen in the 1980s.
You basically have to push 2 buttons instead of 1, but at no point any crew member touches the round directly when it’s inside the tank like an assist loader would imply
Besides AMX-13 was already a 3 crew tank just like T-64 a decade later, so russia didn’t invent anything on that front either
I don’t speak French, but I’m pretty sure cranking over the drum loader is an assisted loader no?
Please find a source for this “autonomous” Loading system.
Also, wasn’t implying Russia was the first to use 3 man crews if it came off that way.
Russia came up with the concept, and began to test it. It was stalled up until the advent of RPGs being all over that prompted them to restart the project, additionally yes Israel did make their own, but they came out about the same time, with the Israel development taking less time, likely from looking at others’ past experiences
? This Claim makes no sense, HEAT “threats” had propagated for almost four decades at that point.
Explosive Lensing, was conceptually developed in the 1790’s (by Franz von Baader)
Shaped Charges were Empirically demonstrated in the 1880’s (by von Foerster)
Mid 1939 sees the first batch of 7.5cm HEAT shells delivered to the Germans
The Bazooka sees service in North Africa starting 1941(Half a Million are built by the end of the war and subsequently supplanted by the M72 in 1963 as war reserves are expended, though supported by the M31 rifle grenade, until replaced at a squad level by novel 40mm HE-DP designs fired from the M203)
Panzerfaust follows shortly afterwards(more than 8 Million of all types are built in the following three years).
By 1975 the M47 Dragon(FGM-77) enters service so you also get to consider actual tactically useful man-portable SACLOS launchers (200,000 rounds were built by 1981, and the SS.10 NORD (similar to AT-3 / 9M14 Sagger) is really only a minimum viable product) so its not as if there was no threats to be seen prior to 1980.
And that doesn’t even touch on systems like the BGM-71 TOW turning up in '72 in numbers.
This argument never makes any sense - I can sit in my CR2 any day of the week and acknowledge that the T-80 does everything my tank does and better in-game. Your T-80 can point anywhere on my tank except the absolute middle of my turret cheeks, and pen it. You can pen any part of my UFP, LFP, and I have a gaping mantlet that isn’t a volumetric hellhole. I’m also massive, fat, slow and have the second worst top tier round(and have a sub-400mm pen round stock).
Your T-80 has worse reverse speed and marginally less gun depression - hardly relevant when your tank has the lowest silhouette of any MBT, is very nimble, and excels in both close and long range maps.
I wish you Russia fanboys would either:
A) Wake up and smell the coffee
B) Force yourself onto a truly bad MBT, like the Ariete/CR2/Leclerc, then see what it actually means to be a bad MBT.
Won’t be replying to the slurry of arguments when I wake up
You do realize i dont give a damn about those tanks lmao, and youre telling me? I dont care about russian tanks being good or bad. Ive never compared any tank in this thread. Alot of useless words were written, maybe useful for someone else but go to the others who were yapping about abrams vs T-80 whatever.
And really isnt my issue when almost every nato country has a good relevant leo line up in their non german techtree. And are a better pick for tournaments than T-80s solidifying that “skill issue” is at the top of the problem with any of the players in this thread.
Just a reminder i never really spoke or compared with it abrams i just laughed at this thread and players not with russian tanks talking about them as if they have more knowledge.
