Some get autocannoned frontally more than others. Not talking about sights or cannons, speaking of general armour profile. It’s much easier to autocannon ZTZ’s and Ariete compared to T series, even frontally they’re never safe.
Or how T series eventually start getting rid of their turret humps yet chinese show no change
Nobody is safe at AF… and if a CAS plane/heli is able to rearm more then once… well the enemy team deserve to get farmed.
Everyone is safe at AF, as soon you try to get close to strafe enemy jet you will be attacked by aa’s.
CAS planes can safely circle around by using terrain or their speeds to dodge incoming munitions easily while helicopters equipped with LDIRCM doesnt have to worry about any Sam system except SACLOS ones.
It seems you have no idea what you’re talking about.
This isn’t WW2 era… I don’t need to be 400-700 from a plane/helicopter (oh wait helipads don’t have AA’s) in order to shoot it down.
I guess the LDIRCM on my Mi-28NM is broken, because I keep getting shot down by IRIS-T’s…
Not safe from aam, agm, gbu which can be sent from outside of range of those ww2 era aa. If those were rolands/ito90 from sim then this argument would make sense.
I think you should turn away a bit from them to jam their missiles:
I was “belly up” toward the missile… still hit me… not complaining, the Mi-28NM should’ve never got such big coverege to begin with, just pointing out that the it (and other helis with LDIRCM) are not invulnerable to IR missiles.
Your radar guided missiles will simply get multipathed and your ir missiles will not lock on to target that is already landed while its engine already started cool off.
Your only chance is to get close to finish it with either gun or close range fox-2 shot which both cases you will get targeted by AF aa.
My helicopters also gets shots down by BUK while still standing on the air, guess my helicopters are the only helicopters that produces Doppler effect.
Both can play that game.
We’re not talking about taking down enemy planes with A2G missiles in here, in case you didn’t noticed.
That would actually require certain brain activity and effort which most Russian mains lacks on these days.
They are invulnerable in most cases more than they have any right to be or did you expect 100% invulnerability?
Irl you can’t just evade multiple IIR missiles while counting on LDIRCM, thats not how modern IIR missiles works.
This forum is filled with people like you that don’t even bother to read what’s been discussed before replying in their good old “gotcha” style.
I’ll be really kind this time and underline some of the key words regarding this “discussion”.
Relying on your armor to do all the work is far from getting saved by it a couple of times, thus increasing your stats in a given vehicle. Simple, isn’t it ?
Yet Russian tanks rely on their armor completely because they have no other reedeming qualities at top tier compare to most NATO tanks.
Guess this forum also filled people like you who likes to act arrogant and thinks he got everything right while in reality dont even/cant comprehend what they are reading in the first place.
I’m not surprised tho considering how snowflake you get when someone uses your own logic against you.
aaa… ???
…that is you, right? … make up your mind pls…
lol IR/IR or TV guided ATG’s / laser guided ARG’s … glide/dumb bombs… unguided missiles… there are thing beside fox 3’s in the game you know
This is funny coming from you, a guy that can’t even follow a chain that’s three posts long before commenting.
Surprised?
Yeah its me.
You claimed that your MI-28NM gets shot down by IRIS-T constantly while in reality it happens 1/10 cases at most if you know how to position your helicopter properly. I also got the NM never got shot down by IRIS-T that much.
That scenario only works if you didn’t dumped all your A2G munition while in most cases scenarios you will.
Message was pretty clear but I guess you like twisting those post in your reality.
He claimed that armor means everything while you tried to counter him by saying relying on armor only means having huge skill issue, meanwhile the whole reason why T-Series at top tier still holds their ground it’s because their armor.
Guess truths hurt so much you started yap for the sake of yap.
Thanks for proving my point.
If armor meant everything then T-tanks would perform much better than they do right now.
You getting into fights while thinking your armor will save you from all harm is just a skill issue, simple as that.
When did I write such thing?
Regardless… it works and its not just A2G munitions, IR AoA missiles to… the engines dont look off that quick and the heat is higher then the surrounding…
Air to air missile does the job as well. Watched one streamer get force fed with r73 as soon as they took off (https://www.youtube.com/live/p6on2TI3P24?t=6657&si=3H5b1kIcLqd3WlAY). There isnt much you can do when you have no speed to dodge missile. Especially thrust vector irccm one.
Leo2a7 and strv122 can rely on their armor and use those other redeeming qualities at same time.
Engines dont cool off immediately.
It works anyway. Also its more common to dump all munitions on tanks rather than on planes because there isnt much planes on high tiers.
i replied to someone who said the leclerc was a bad tank cause it had no armour keep my name out of this
So you’re accepting that only way to kill someone who landed on AF is to use another plane that has onboard A2G munitions while the discussion was based on SAM system vs plane.