Russian normalization rounds angle performance nerf (poll/discussion)

[BACKRAGE44428-live]

so russian APHE rounds such as the 85MM on the T34 85 have flat heads causing the rounds to normalize with the angled armor of tanks allowing them to pen better on angles which is historically accurate but it overperforms by a lot in game.

for example in protection analysis the american 90mm of the M26 pointed at the Panthers front plate says 180mms of armor roughly

but with the russian 122mm on first 6.3 IS-2 or IS2 1944 with the BR 471B which it shows a different value which is 130mm of armor allowing it to pen the panther at any range and you cannot angle it

the downsides of a flat head round are that it reduces effectiveness on flat armor like for example a tiger 1 or a ARL 44s manlet which this downside is not modeled either

i propose you simple nerf the angle performance of the rounds and fix the 1944s insane volumetric armor and you can drop the IS2 and IS2 1944 as neither the IS-2 1944 or IS-2 is a match for the T26E5 or E1 or literally any other heavy

would you like to see this reworked ?

• yes
• no
• other explain below

[BACKRAGE44428-live]

you can discuss the poll below if you want

[Nowel]

@BACKRAGE44428-live

for example in protection analysis the american 90mm of the M26 pointed at the Panthers front plate says 180mms of armor roughly

I mean the 90mm is probably underperfroming there, iirc they were able to penetrate the panthers hull up to 1000m

@BACKRAGE44428-live

the downsides of a flat head round are that it reduces effectiveness on flat armor like for example a tiger 1 or a ARL 44s manlet which this downside is not modeled either

It kinda is modeled, although it doesnt really changes much, the flat nosed 85mm loses 13mm of penetration at 0º

That being said the slop modifier should be tuned down, it should be better than blunt nose ap but not that much better

[markimash]

@BACKRAGE44428-live

for example in protection analysis the american 90mm of the M26 pointed at the Panthers front plate says 180mms of armor roughly

but with the russian 122mm on first 6.3 IS-2 or IS2 1944 with the BR 471B which it shows a different value which is 130mm of armor allowing it to pen the panther at any range and you cannot angle it

I wonder how much of it is affected by overmatch. The 122 is affected by overmatch which will negste some of the angle.

[Nowel]

@markimash

I wonder how much of it is affected by overmatch. The 122 is affected by overmatch which will negste some of the angle.

At least on the 80mm it doesnt overmatch it, on the side it does to some extent, it doesnt completely overmatch it but it does reduces the ricochet angle

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[markimash]

The 122 should overmatch. Anything over 1.3x the armor thickness gets an overmatch modifier.

[Nowel]

You are right, it does get an overmatching modifier, the 100mm also seems to be getting it, although a lower value.

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