I didn’t admit to it because you never showed me that. Hell, on a second look, it’s clear the page is talking about two seperate 30mm ammos. It has both 30x173 and 30x113, and has two seperate sentences.
Besides, you never explained how you would fit 30x173 into a M230 and get it to fire at 1000m/s.
Yeah all your comments have been non-sense. There is no spall liners in abrams tanks, unless, like I said, SEP V3 and newer got them
why would i explain it when the link that had army researchers talking about it is gone? You also never replied to me how the AH’s getting the AGM 65 would be a down grade, since you want to play the " explain this game "
Obviously you didn’t look at the entire page or read what i typed to you previously. Learn to scroll down.
lol you’re slow. All the Abrams have spall liners the m113s have spall liners, the M60s even have spall liners. I don’t even know why you keep replying you’ve been made to look like a fool on 10 other posts as you argue with people and they shred your opinions outright.
Okay toxic boy if you are so incredibly antisocial why are you commenting in a forum at all?
I don’t know if a 2A7V can pen because I don’t have it researched yet… so commenting on the 2A7 would be stupid thats why I put it in parentheses to make it clear that I simply don’t know.
If you dont understand such simple things you should maybe go to school instead of commenting in a forum
also writing “This is simply nonsense.” doesn’t
prove anything me looking at my expert crew leopard 2 ingame right now says 6.9 seconds reload so your are straight up lying (the loader also has highest reload skill)
You are making up things in your head that don’t make sense at all
Maybe touch some grass and come back
Have a nice day
Yet you felt comfortable enough to claim that Russian tanks outperform western tank in this game.
Spending 30 seconds in the Armour Analysis tool would’ve shown the Leopard 2A7V currently having a better armour profile than the T-80BVM as well as having an impenetrable UFP.
More importantly, you felt comfortable claiming Russian tanks outperform western ones dispite not owning/playing even a single Russian MBT.
‘‘So no I dont think western tanks outperform russian tanks… I think its quite the opposite’’
-Itl_Chiller
AFAIK only the M60-2000 had spall liners as part of its upgrade program.
I mean, 6s (6.4 expert) is soon to be the highest BluFor/Western reload, the Merkava and Ariete are being changed to 5s alongside the new BR changes
Type 10: 4sec (auto)
Leclerc: 5sec (auto)
Challenger 2E/Abrams/Merkava/Ariete: 5sec (5.3 expert)
Leopard/Strv: 6sec (6.4 expert)
vs the BVM at 6.5 and T-90M/ZTZ99s at 7.1, yeah I’d definitely say there’s a notable reload advantage among western tanks
At the end of the day, it simply isn’t (and never has been) a thing. There may have been a junk link years ago, but they’re wholly incompatible
I did indeed
Because the game is more than BR 11.7 my friend
I made this little comparison
The T80BVM is smaller than the Leo 2A7 making it look like the green areas are larger
Also I took the time to show where you had to shoot to oneshot the vehicles
As you can see the Leopard is way easier to oneshot than the BVM… test it yourself if you want
Lower hull of BVM is marked as “potentially leathal” because sometimes the ammo just does not want to detonate as I wrote before…
The right side of the 2A7 is marked as potentially lethal because if you carry more than 16 rounds the spare ones are stored there so it depens on the players choice
If you ask me the armor profile of the BVM is better
I have the “T 80 U” in the swedish tech tree… this is a russian made tank isn’t it?
Also im fighting 11.7 tanks regularly
And the russian ones are the ones that somtimes survive shots they should not
I shoot Abrams = it blows up
I shoot Merkava = it blows up
I shoot Ariete = it blows up
I shoot Strv = it blows up
I shoot Challenger = it blows up
I shoot Leclerc = it blows up
I shoot T-80/90/72 = it blows up… but sometimes it decides that my shell wasnt actually there in the first place and it kills me instead
Ofcourse I miss sometimes or hit a bad spot… but what “coincidence” it happens most on russian tanks
This on the other hand was my bad
I looked at my Leopard 2A6 that does not have an expert crew yet (because it is flippin expensive… another advantage of the russian autoloaders? They shoot as fast as they shoot without having to spend an additional 1.1 MILLION silver lions)
My 2A5 with expert crew does indeed have 6.4 seconds reload my bad
By the way the BVM has 6.5seconds by default (according to ingame stats) without any additional crew training
Our words on the matter mean nothing, not one of them has provided any evidence of a spall liner.
I have, however, provided proof that 5s reload is not only plausible but also quite easy to do;
Trust me, I’m all for buffing the tank but I’m not for make believe armor enhancements. They should fix the games ballistics, add spall vests for crewman, etc.
As it turns out… armor crewman claiming the tank has an internal spall liner have zero access to any documentation or facilities that would permit them to find or observe such things. What I can absolutely inform you is that there is no crew compartment internal spall liner. The entire turret interior is raw metal baseplate. No spall protection.
Don’t we all know the reload times are made up?
This is a Leopard 2A4 shooting 4 times in a video that is 13 seconds long so its reload is about 3.25 seconds
On the left side we see someone who is still undergoing training
Udssr tanks would simply not be competitive if reload times were realistic
He is continuously loading with the door “open”. I simulated the time delay for the door opening.
The more crew is directly related to the reload speeds you’re referring to. It would be silly the negate the entire purpose of person and it only be there to slow you down if you take a hit, SLOWER than the reload of comparable auto loaders. The extra person becomes net loss to the crew since his only purpose besides switching when he dies is to slow the reload.
NATO should be faster than the auto loaders. Once they’re fixed as a module they’re operable, the crew is perma debuffed unless they get a new crew member.
The reloads are fine as they are.
Yes I know
Ofcourse the reload would be slower if the door would close on the 2A4 aswell
But I dont’t know if you HAVE to close the door
If not why not give us the choice ingame if we want the loader to close the door or not?
I would choose faster reload ingame rather than surviving a shoot that removes all my ammo anyways
Found the original video with reloadtimes including opening the door
Which you have to grind a decade for AND pay a huge ammount of silver lions
Gaijin could balance this by increasing the reload time of manually loaded tanks, the more you fire the slower the reload because the loader gets exhausted, with a small cooldown that resets to the initial “fast” reload time… simulating the loader catching his breath
They have to lower the inital reload time ofcourse to make it realistic
nope the m60s and bradleys before that had spall liners, then more variants were updated with them.
yeah i dont think i’ve ever said that wasn’t possible for crews to do? i’ve had tank crew men tell me they could reload non stop every 3 - 4 seconds.
i mean thats like someone saying that autoloader should get a possibility to jam or be unrepairable unless its at a base. No one would do that or put it in-game, and its a really stupid idea,