The APHE it gets to retain is more egregious you cant have a T-55AMD with darts, ATGMS, composite armour and APHE. It should be removed
Yeah that’s flat out lie bro, at 8.7 Chieftains are barely playable the round shatters on BMP2s!
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How old do you think that is dm 23 is?
Because that round can also be found at the same br, it is quite comical that you even complain about the 3bm25 when it is a worse round…
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Someone should do a test, I don’t have a T-55 or an Olifant but I do have a lot of games in the MK3 and the APDS feels like a 50/50 if it was going to do anything. It shatters on Leo1 mantlets! I have no confidence in the round
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APDS in that region typically do shatter on frontal slopes.
Which is ironic since that was supposed to be a thing that was carried up to top tier against 3BM22 and 3BM60 rounds, but Gaijin did away with them.
This isn’t the point of discussion. He’s asking why the hell Gaijin decided to give late 1990s or even 2010s ammunition to these different platforms.
Here, let me ask it my way, M829A4 is now being taken off the production line.
Why isn’t it in game?
“M829A2 best round in game”
Bullshit, M829A2 round is not best, and it’s over 30 years old. Where’s the A3 and A4 supersabot?
Now, do you all grasp what he’s saying and what I’m saying and why we’re asking the Russians get this crap, when the French Leclerc STILL DOES NOT HAVE AN HE round?!?!?!?!?
There are too many instances where Gaijin gives this updated ammunition FROM JUMP to the Russian line, while refusing to give said ammunition to the US, French, British, and other nations, because DAMN if we’re going to let the NATO boys have some fun.
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Leopard 1 mantlet is lightly sloped at best we have needed overmatch in this game for years but the engine is insufficient. So instead they allow the plate to just absorb the damage
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We’ve needed more than overmatch, we’ve also needed shattering to remain and spalling to improve. Gunner HEAT PC has it, works great. Frustrates the player, but hey, suck it up and find a better angle of attack.
But Gaijin.
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Well the same reason as to why the leopard 1 have an 80s heat round, while the russians have just their 60s heat…
Btw no matter how old m829a2 is still one of the best rounds in game, and also much better than the “newer” 3bm60.
Btw this topic is in specific about the 100mm 3bm25, stop shifting the focus.
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As several colleagues have said, in the case that you have presented there would be practically no problem since the M60A1 AOS is from 1972 and the APDS M728 is from 1974 (the British version would be from 1973). On the other hand, the T-55A would be of 1963, the 3BM-8 of 1968 and the 3BM-25 of 1978, which gives the T-55A a wider margin in its ammunition, which on the other hand is not important due to the low performance of its bullets.
As I said, the case you have presented would not be valid, but in the game there are several cases that are clearly an aberration, such as:
1:The M69A1 RISE Passive. This vehicle entered service at the end of the 80s, it carries the M735 as best ammunition, which is from 1978, but it does not carry the M774 from 1980 or the M883 from 1983, even by dates it could have reached using the M900, the thing is that I couldn’t possibly shoot it since that model of barrel would not withstand the pressure of the bullet.
2:The Magach 3 ERA. In this case we move on to one of the most absurd cases, and I think this is because it is a premium tank that has been around for years and was originally a different version, and since the developers are lazy They do not modify anything. The Magach 3 ERA is from around the beginning of the 80s, and as the best ammunition it has the HEAT-FS M456 from 1966 and the APDS M392A1 from 1961, in short, it is a tank with ammunition almost 20 years older than it. ,and apart from that we have in the Tech Tree the Magach 5, which is literally the same tank, but in that case it does use the ammunition it should, the APDS-FS M111, the most serious thing being that both tanks are Br 8.0, one having a much better bullet than the other.
3:The three T-54s. In this case I think that again it is something that happens due to the laziness of the devs and because they do not worry about decompressing the Br by adding new vehicle models for the Tech Tree. The T-54s, like their name indicates they are from 1947, 1949 and 1951, the 1947 model uses the BR-412D as its best ammunition, which is from 1953, this tank being such an early model that it possibly did not even use the BR-412B. The 1949 model It uses the APDS 3BM-8 as the best ammunition, which is from 1968, when the 1949 model would at most use the BR-412B. The 1951 model has the APDS 3BM-8 and the HEAT-FS 3BK-5 as the best ammunition. of 1955, so in reality the 1951 model, possibly the best bullet, should have the BR-412D. As I said before, in my opinion this is a clear example of compression of the Br, since the Br of these should be changed T-54, lowering it and giving them their historical ammunition, and in its place adding, for example, the T-54A.
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Which Russians only have 1960s HEAT in 9.3-10.7?
I’m curious to see this.
Also, no, the topic is not “just” the 100mm 3BM25, look at the title “Russian Favoritism”.
Here, let me try it a different way.
“Why are NATO tanks and PACT tanks receiving ammunition disparity for old tank models in the game?”
Im talking about 8.0…
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Thank you for clarifying, my apologies, but again, as he is pointing out, and as poo pointed out, there are huge discrepancies within some vehicles.
Might I suggest everyone try submitting reports to the company?
The point is that there is discrepancy BOTH ways, while youre trying to develop a narrative where russia is the only one bennefited with them, which is not always the case, not to mention that the specific case that the op used as argument falls apart once you take al look to other vehicles at 8.3.
Which is also kinda the case with the 3bm60, sure m829a2 or dm63 are older, but that does not mean that there arent other rounds as new as the 3bm60, they type 10 is a clear example about it, while also being better.
Btw another discrepancy that you pointed out, france lacking he isnt also a case of russians getting preferencial treatment, as other nato nations also have he rounds, it is just another example of gaijin not caring about france.
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To me it’s synonymous that France and US and Britain lack these certain rounds.
I’ve still been playing them and I still haven’t had a round shatter yet, I’m going to have to ask for evidence of this
The Leopard 1 mantlet is a meme, it’s famous for blanking shots for no reason, I’ve even had APFSDS from the PTZ89 vanish on it.
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I have an M1A1 and A10 ive used my A10 against pantsirs and killed them if i had an F-16C itd be even easier to kill them, ive done the same with my G-lynx while spading the challenger 2
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Our best shell is literally L27A1 there’s nothing else to add for britain other than whatever new shell germany will get in the future like Dm73 or EKE and it’ll only be on the CR3
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Well they COULD get L28.
BUT i doubt that will ever happen.
And it would be worse probably, because its a Long rod Tungsten penetrator, instead of DU like L27.