i have no personal desire to get a rise out of americans, I am actually supporting american players this is a major problem in this br bracket and everyone who plays it is experiencing it. and by trying to accuse me of malicious intent is laughable at best. Im simply discrediting your argumentation because its bad argumentation
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Seems like your personal 11.3 experience doesn’t justify for the game balance as a whole in four different bracket ehh. Just more noises and noises.
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Glad we are in agreement that personal experience doesn’t really matter.
It’s why my post contains my initial cross-analysis that justified 11.3 and 11.7 for BMPT.
Your own statement bro, not me
TLDR, you can stop your whataboutism this topic is already long enough.
If something was wrong, you can make a separate post/request to the DEV to fix but I doubt it.
“Ayo chat, one problem at a time chat. Stop, I can’t read.”
If you have issues with someone then take it to pm’s. And no we don’t want to see the pm’s here, You can disagree with someone but don’t start a witch hunt against people.
Either stick to the topic or don’t comment at all. This goes for multiple users here.
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Yessir, apologies
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just gonna put this down here so people can see it
please read in its entirety
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Should we talk about yak-9k ? lol
Absolutely fair and balanced this one /s
thank god it got moved up in BR but man its still insane… at 4.0 it was a menacccceeee.
the pattern of bias transcends Br fr
17 kills with ease ? Ok russian main
t34s having better armor in practice than every other medium in the game in the 4.0 bracket has not been lost on me. at least its more manageable in the lower tiers but sheesh.
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Devs don’t interact with us, when they did back in the day, they were actually held accountable, so they dipped and never show their faces around here anymore, so they can do whatever they want )))
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Between you and me… you’re ragebaiting people with all this “there is no russian bias”, “BMPT is not op”, “Mi28nm is not op”, right ?
Nobody can hear us
Things should be balanced with everyone in mind.
If you only balance things with the majority in mind you would see a lot of vehicles moving down. Which is fine by me, but then you will suddenly see a lot of complain post about how the skilled part of the playerbase is now dominating whole lobbies with undertiered vehicles.
The TURM III is a perfect example of this. It gets played by a majority bad/new players which gives it worse statistics than it should have, which keeps it at 8.3, but now you have an arguably undertiered vehicle that good players absolutely dominate whole games in. Which leads to more posts about the TURM III dominating lobbies.
Then again, that is also part of the whole bigger problem with balancing through statistics alone.
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So youre saying that having skilled players do well in balanced vehicles… Is a worse option than having mediocre players do extremely well in vehicles that allow them to press w and win bc theuy are undertiered? why is there this double standard with vehicle balancing?? either balance via statistics… or balance via vehicle performance. it cant be selectively both as that creates a implicit meta
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Exactly
@UNN_Daedalos Exactly
Thank you both for giving your long thoughts about it. People thinking there is a balance problem regarding Russia shouldn’t be forgotten
no it would be the opposite… the TURM 3 is already undertiered and the “skilled players” are using it and dominating… thats two levels of meta right there: Skilled players AND undertiered vehicle…
Why not remove the “undertiered vehicle part” and allow skilled players to be rewarded while using balanced vehicles… Maybe im reading your comment wrong so please clarify.
There is legit 1 vehicle at top tier that allows this lol, and it’s only the BMPT (well I guess 2 vehicles since there are 2 of them).
You can definitely balance using both. If a vehicle is in line with similar vehicles at it’s BR in terms of capabilities but yet somehow performs worse statistics wise it’s not a vehicle issue.
We had this debate a couple years ago with Gaijin. They wanted to move the M48A2C to 6.7 while leaving the other M48A1s at 7.0, precisely because the A2C performed worse statistically. The community argued against it and the change was canceled.
It’s not about moving down BRs, it’s about correctly modeling t-series armors / spikes missiles trajectory / BMPT armor and SO MUCH more (aka my very, very long list I posted a while ago).
Russian ERAs and side armors in general eating entire DARTs are NOT ok. Spikes hiting 4 times in a row commander mg are NOT ok. 4 AH IR missiles to destroy a Pantsir is NOT ok