More intentional misunderstanding from Alvis Wisla attempting to completely reframe what i even said so that he can confuse and attack an argument i didnt even make
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If 1 million people say 1 + 1 = 3, but 1 says 1 + 1 = 2, who is right?
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READ WHAT I SAID:
I did not say that russian fan boys disgree with you, in fact they likely agree with you more than anything because YOU ARE ONE OF THEM.
My post DOES NOT insinuate at all that most of the player base is russian shills. IF you actually read it and understood it for wha ti ACTUALLY SAID. I said that most of this poll and the playerbase at HEART DISAGREES WITH YOU BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT RUSSIAN SHILLS… and YOU ARE.
Is english your second language or something???
this is what you do, you misunderstand people who make real arguments against you and completely derail actual conversation EVERY TIME
@ElectedElit21372
I shill only for NATO & America, & am shilling for NATO vehicles today exclusively shilling for Abrams & Leopard 2s.
So stop accusing America & NATO of being Russian, they aren’t.
The only Soviet vehicle I’ve shilled for in the last year is BMPT when I proved it needed to be moved up by at least 1.0 BRs from 10.3 to at least 11.3, with 11.7 being plausible.
Russian fanboys have never agreed with me on anything except the BMPT because I’ve never shilled for their equipment.
The fact you think English isn’t taught in American schools is wild…
Stop trying to derail the topic away from War Thunder.
Talk about the game, not me.
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BRO YOU JUST SAID THAT ABRAMS AND NATO ARE THE BEST TANKS when they are not… That is you actively shilling for russia by pretneding they are worse than nato when they are not. The playerbase all agrees that russia is overperforming right now… and you pretneding that NATO is the best is just not even true. And by that logic you are shilling for russia by saying they (russia) are underperforming. When they are not
You heard it here guys, Abrams & NATO tanks are Russian.
If you’re going to get mad at me for shilling for Abrams & Leopard 2s, get mad at that.
Stop insinuating that they’re Russian.
You are quoted BTW, with your typos preserved.
If that’s not what you meant, change your wording.
They are though. Armor isn’t meta when you sacrifice in every category for it.
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again thats not waht i said, your trying to misunderstand me on purpose
Depends on how you look at it. Shilling for Russia could also be claiming that their tanks are the best ever made, similar to how some US mains can view their aircraft.
Either way, disagreeing on which tank is better in game does not mean someone loves a certain country.
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they are tho
abrams has second best round in the game with excellent ammo storage and reload
giving it the best firepower in the game (only anti-ERA dart next update too regardless of how it performs against relikt), great mobility and gun handling as well as armour that does well enough.
Turret ring is getting buffed or fixed next update, side armour is being improved.
Sure, it has spall liners and is getting new modules next update, but keep in mind that those new modules can act as spall liners and offer an incredibly minor repair (8s).
leopard 2A7s and equiv have excellent armour, spall liners as well as the best top tier round in the game (not including 292 apfsds for this) with solid mobility and decent enough reload.
blowout panels also are a benefit.
Challengers, yeah not so good. Leclercs also not so good, worse abrams that’s really it.
There are no other NATO MBTs iirc.
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clearly you dont understand process of elimination. By saying NATO and AMERICA are the best you are disregarding the obvious overperformance of russian mbts, cas, spaa, and almost everything russia has in general.
how you dont understand this is baffling to me, but instead you wanna pretned like im saying “oh yeah the abrams and leopard 2 are russian” like what??? thats obviously not what im saying
Yeah… I think I accidentally insinuated this on some of my bad wording, for which I apologize for.
oh their the best? so thats why their being buffed in exactly the ways the community has been complaining about for years? if they are soo good why are they changing them??? ever thought about that? maybe its because the communities frustration with the abrams being dogwater ARE VALID…
Notice how the T90 M isnt being changed 1 bit?? hmm its almost like its because their already super strong and nobody is really complaining about them
I think if you learned how to play tanks you would think otherwise. Come back when you are more experienced and then maybe you’ll get it.
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im not even gonna acknowledge this obvious ragebait
People will call anything ragebait nowadays. Just the latest buzzword really.
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Or maybe people can’t handle a vehicle with a skill floor.
That’s why the abrams “suffers”
It has a relatively high skill floor and skill ceiling because you have to actually use your brain somewhat to make full use of its capabilites.
Meanwhile Russian T-series have lower skill floors and skill ceilings
don’t need as much brainpower to do ok in them but also don’t offer as much in terms of capabilities.
@ElectedElit21372 A similar example could be something like the F-2A ADTW vs F-14B
F-14B has the lower skill floor cause “Muh AIM-54 spam” lizard roleplay allowing for idiots to do “well”
While F-2A ADTW requires a little more brainpower to do well while offering much better capabilities once you know how to play the game.
the F-2 here is basically just like the abrams, while the F-14 plays the role of the T-series
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you know what your doing dude, you arent clever
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Do you know what YOU’RE doing when you play the Abrams?
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I shill for Abrams & Leopard 2.
Shilling, praising, defending are rather synonymous with each other, not synonyms, but synonymous.
Which means I am attacking the capabilities of T-90M, the only heavily armored MBT in the Soviet tech tree; & T-80BVM, the only averagely mobile tank of the Soviet tech tree.
Both fire rounds equivalent to L27/OFL F1… with M829A1 being a superior round.
Due to how MBTs in War Thunder over-perform in agility, War Thunder has a mobility meta at top ranks ground.
This makes Abrams & Leopard 2A5+ rather strong having top-10 mobility needed for close range flanking & engagements as well as medium range bonuses, the best MBT rounds in the game [except Strv 122s], good armor [slightly better than T-90M in the case of Strv 122], & a number of other important factors that aid in other maps such as Tunisia or Mozdok.
T-90M cannot be “buffed”, it has everything it can ever have added already added. It’s been at its limit since it was introduced firing a median round with poor mobility, & having to rely on patience & armor which isn’t something you should be relying on at top ranks.
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