Used to be way worse we used to spawn on small Russian airfields and there was no time to side clime. They made it so your 109 had to face their Yaks and Las at low altitude.
You never got an airspawn against Russia
You mean Mozdok (Frontline) before airspawns?
Where both airfields were at maximum 10km apart and facing each other?
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Could have been, remember the misery of flying a 190A at low altitude with lower energy
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The amount of effort it takes to take out a nato tank vs a Russian tank is not even comparable. A rough side shot would take out the turret drive and make the tank obsolete vs you either hit the ammo or you are fked.
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Armour parts not being displayed to the user that are present, along with parts not spalling, seems pretty buggy to me
“buggy” the same way YouTube does not load with adblock
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Reddit poster discovers spall liners. In other news, fork found in kitchen.
This is not a “bug”. You simply cant see these armor plates in regular armor view because they are inside the tank, hidden behind the external armor.
Many tanks have some kind internal protection for crew and systems. Kevlar spall liners, basic internal steel plates, etc. This isnt “russian bias”, this is basic tank design - usually you want to protect the more vulnerable parts inside the tank from spall (i.e ammo racks, turret drives, etc.)
For example, in the image I attached, you can see the the “hidden” internal plate inside the Abrams that protects the turret hydraulics unit, captured using that same Nvidia Ansel trick shown in your pictures. This is just one of many examples of internal “hidden” armor on tanks, there is many more on all kinds of tanks, both NATO and WTO tanks.
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Yeah against flying targets they are not.
But thing is, it also has backup fuze, like many other modern AA missiles. So if that proximity fuze fails, it got impact fuze also as back up.
So it explodes on direct hit not airburst infront of tank, and seriously why whould it not overpressure tank ingame, when even 200g of explosive can do it?
Which unit? the one that’s actually a sump tank? The actual pump should be in the engine compartment.
i never said its a pump in the turret? Don’t put words in my mouth.
And this doesnt change the fact the Abrams in that picture has “hidden” internal armor too - as do many other Soviet and NATO tanks ingame - this isnt a hidden “bug” unique to the T-64 and T-80 as the original poster implies.
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Are you sure?
My bad, I mustve missed the memo in the dictionary that says “unit” now means “pump” rather than any arbitrary unit in the hydraulics system of the tank.
“Turret hydraulics unit” means “the unit of the hydraulic system that is in the turret”. At no point did i ever specify a pump.
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And now you know, aren’t you grateful.
These platings on T-64 and T-80’s partially dont exist, the smaller rings are part of the autoloader structure irl, yet not part of the module ingame.
The larger platings, incasing almost the entire ammunition should not be there and are artifically added platings to catch incoming spall to increase their survivability.
The example you used for Abrams is also not hidden, it’s quite literally a module you can see via XRay.
And the plating that should be there is not around, but within the ammunition, it’s the basket the crew sits in that is conveniently not modelled.
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The example you used for Abrams is also not hidden, it’s quite literally a module you can see via XRay.
Its absolutely not visible as an armor panel in X-Ray, lets not spread misinformation now.
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Dude, all hydraulics modules have an armour value and thus plating.
On Leopard 2K you can hover over it even without Ansel e.g.
All other modules also retain this characteristic (majority are 2mm structural steel) but do not necessarily have an addition plating encasing them.
Difference is that this module can be seen through Xray (again its the hydraulic pump), yet the armour platings shown in the reddit post cannot be seen outside of ansel, cdk or hit analysis as they’re not a module.
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Your picture does not show any armor values nor any form of armor plating.
Thats just an X-ray module of the unit itself, not its armor - in fact it gets hidden away if you only select “armor” and “spall liners” in x-ray filters, implying that it isnt armor, so yes, in fact the actual armor plate is “hidden” and what you are showing is not the armor plate. - the actual armor plate im talking about also
cannot be seen outside of ansel
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Well then, im fairly certain the hidden armor plate protecting the front of the autoloader on the CV 90105 isnt part of any turret hydraulics. Again, these hidden plates exist on many tanks, not just T-64/T-80 as the OP implies.
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The filters do not even work half the time, they are a indicator for absolutely nothing.
Go on BMPT, select Armour in the filters and watch the internal armour disappear.
But surely the filters are a reliable way of telling whether something should be armour or not, right?
Every module in this game has an armour equivalent, as said, usually 2mm structural steel,with the ArmourThrough modifier deciding whether they spall or not (in addition to the CreateSecondaryshatters modifier, if present), Horizontal-Drive modules e.g. have an ArmourThrough value of 15, hence why they create a ton of spall when struck, the plating around russian autoloaders(and the autoloader itself) have a value of 1.0, which prevents spalling.
And unlike your examples, these platings are not visible and/or expectable through the modules displayed in Xray.
A module, even if not listed as armour (given they didnt just f up the filters again,which they often do) can/must be expected to have an armour value.
2mm structural steel for most modules
150mm-300mm mCHA for Trunnions (exception: most Leo2’s and Type 90)
150mm structural steel for breeches
Whether the module creates spall is dependent on the afforementioned modifiers.
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