Granted several of those maps were built for MUCH lower BRs and Gaijin doesn’t make top tier exclusive maps very often.
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That’s precisely the issue.
Most maps are built for up to 7.7 and maybe 8.7
They don’t work well at top tier at all
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IRL the Pantsirs do not have a great track record but of course Gaijin just takes paper stats at face value.
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Gaijin improves the reliability of everything for gameplay purposes.
Sparrows for example have a terrible hit rate irl.
Its a game, having stuff fail on you for no real reason is just lame
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Oh absolutely. Radar signatures of helis and LDIRCM needs urgent remodelling, but what doesnt at top tier. On the other hand im wondering how tf you would be able to play helis at all (especially for 600 SP) if any Fox 3 can reliably take you down from 20+ km away. Especially with trees being invisible for radars, spaa locking you through whole forests, while you cant see anything in the heli and surely cant lock anything sitting behind a small bush or anywhere close to a dead tank (gl doing anything on -lets just pick eastern europe- maps where all 3 cap points are between buildings and with less than 150 m distance between all of them…Yes i laserrangefinded that).
IDK, this whole situation seems just very broken and idk what would be a good way to sort of solve it. Besides making systems like LDIRCM work and the Heli blades doppler return work in a realistic way ofc
I don’t care how it’s done, as long as Helis don’t need to press H to be immune to nearly any ARH missile
Terrain exists, forcing them to also actually need countermeasures to avoid ARHs would also be great
Currently you just need to press H, fly a little lower and then move from side to side a little in case of iog.
No need for chaff, or flares
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They need their blades to give off radar signatures. That way it would force heli mains to use terrain and other obstacles to stay alive.
Erm - I should point out because I’m a plane nerd.
AIM-7 accuracy was north of 60% by GW1. A lot of the dubious hit rates in Vietnam were due to stupid ROEs (hey chaps, you can only use your BVR missiles once you’ve got close enough to take the serial number off that MiG-17).
Climate was also a big factor iirc
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That’s a new one on me but given the early-days tech I can believe it.
I know that RAF Sparrow / Skyflash was regarded as a very accurate missile right up until AMRAAM came along - so long as it was used properly.
Then again, this is from the real-world rather than the rather wonky world of War Thunder where what works in real-life often doesn’t (and what is terrible in real life cough certain Russian AA systems cough works wonderfully!)
I fully agree. They need to bring back the necessity to at least be somewhat aware and develop some sort of skill and be careful in helis to be effective instead of just almost staying still close to 0 closure rate to be almost invincible to 80% of top tier spaa. And thats me saying that as a heli enthusiast^^ atm its random and not fun playing them and certainly its not fun facing them. Lose lose situation
Isn’t the free spawn SPAA for us at top tier the Adats, which is one of the best Free Spawn Saclos/beam riding spaa to kill those helis (ofc unless they simply stay out of its range)?
Please show me how a hull down BMPT-72 is different to a tech tree BMPT
Yes, but you can still get the LAV as a free spawn.
? i mean…what? either youre playing the 12.7 ground lineup and you get the adats as free spawn or you dont play top tier at a lower br and get the LAV. its not like you can chose what your free spawn spaa will be when youre queueing with a 12.7 lineup?
I play 12.0 and every match is a 12.7 uptier. I get both the LAV-AD and the ADATS as free spawns. I personally consider top tier to be a bit more broad than simply the highest possible BR.
You can kill the BMPT-72 when you manage to hit crew, since it’s just 3 people.
BMPT-72 can be HE’d by multiple HE shells from NATO MBTs
Ah i see. I think top tier is top tier. The lineup you use with the respective best tanks and cas. 10.0 to 11.7 maybe high tier etc etc. Especially since you wont see Top helis with anything lower than a 12.0 ground lineup and the best fixed wing cas with anything if you dont have top jets in your lineup as well. But huh? u get both the adats and the LAV as free spawn in the same match? how?
I think it’s because the ADATS is 11.7. I started bringing the LAV-AD in my lineup and now I only get the ADATS, but I have seen several other 12.0s (usually Click-Bait players) get both as free vehicles. It might also be because of how few systems there are for the US to use. I’ve even seen in some 12.0 matches people getting both the base Pantsir and 2S6.
Ok thats weird. never paid too much attention to that bc the lineups i bring into every game are maxed out. But thats wild that it works this way. Always thought its one medium,one light and one spaa? maybe bc us doesnt have a light at that br? But then that should be the stryker? im confused…anways it is what it is and its getting a bit offtopic by now xD