For the 200th time “NATO” is not a tech tree in this game
the US air force + US Navy alone basically has more stealth aircrafts running around than russia has fighters
And that’s not even factoring in european fleets, which when put together aren’t exactly small, so i’ll stay on my 5:1 ratio if you don’t mind
Not to mention, if we want to count russian tanks, today they don’t have much left running around, do they…
And I won’t even mention the navy side of things since it’s not in game, but i can already feel the bias (though i’ll admit the soviet cooked with their late cold war Subs designs)
fine, are in NATO nations, you do realise that NATO is the collective term for the non russian and chinese trees in game right?
ah yes, love using my US stealth fighters in game -.-.
What ? talking from before the war no they certainly did not.
they had about 500 F35s and what under 200 F22s, while russia had over 1000 fighters alone as far as reports went.
Now it’s of course different they’ve been in a war for nearly half a decade.
As I previously stated dumb dumb, you obviously wouldn’t implement them in war time xD
Or we gonna ignore the F35s being shot over you know where?
Navy very much is in the game and with the svesky whatever it is , there is clear bias for them.
which is bull crap that it’s sat for as long and a reason why I stopped playing naval in game.
Japan + Israel are also not in nato, technically speaking
This way of approaching things is exactly the problem though :
NATO in game is 6 different trees, each that you have to grind, each with different line ups. Now if everyone spawns the absolute best of each tree composing a “NATO” team - assuming the match maker put you in the same team in the first place - then yes you can somewhat be on part (except in SPAA, Helis and IFV). That’s the thing though, why would i do that whan i can grind ONE tree with everything in it. No choice to make, no questions asked.
So where do we draw the line ? Because from where i’m standing, it looks like you want to cherrypick the exact moment that favors russian numbers most.
I’ve seen around 600+, you sure the 1000 doesn’t take transport aircrafts + heli into the mix ?
I mean the order of magnitude are slightly different, but that’s a detail i suppose…
Yet the there is a serious argument that the Abrams is better than any of the top tier T-series. There is an element of playstyle and skill level involved, but the argument is definitely there.
Same goes for the Type 10, Leclerc and Merkava Mk.4s, but that argument is a bit weaker since it’s even more playstyle and skill level dependent.
But most maps unfortunately favor quick reaction time and YOLO rushing corners, so it is what it is.
At this little game, a T-80 or even 90 are better equipped than an abrams, Leclerc, or even a Leopard.
You CAN absolutely camp some ridge lines, but most of the time these position do not cover enough of the map or, more crucially, cap points. So at the end of the day, you are forced to rush in town with tanks not designed for it.
The few maps that are not layered this way (maginot line comes to mind) are usually far less one sided, but they are not very common
I mean by the time it will be copy pasted everywhere, it probably won’t be the meta anymore tbh. It’s already less OP than before now with “notch while guide” AESA radars and Iron dome meta where more missile is better
Like how recent Russian additions alongside with selective realism?
I don’t see you complaining about them.
I would gladly take 2 days of repair on my Leopard in exchange for turning every single Russian tank into space program upon the penetration.
Would you like to do the same?
No.
You guys taking 6 nations and turning into one then comparing to Russia to justify your points.
NATO itself isn’t a whole single unit which is why your and IhateCAS logic fails miserably.
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So Su-30SM/SM2,Su-27SM, Su-34 itself and similiar Russian jets are bad?
Is that so? Lets compare it then:
Us Air Force:
345 F-15 in active service and 250 EX Eagle on its way
657 F-16C
140+ F-22 Raptor
Over 400 F-35
Now lets look at Us Navy Air Force
over 500 F-18
50+ F-35
Us Air Force itself is has larger fighter numbers than entire Russian Air Force, let alone including Navy.
Not to mention most Russian jets are inferior than Us models, only handful numbers are actually equal in terms of overall capabilities and I’m not even counting the loses on Ukraine conflict.
You can outbrawl T-80s pretty effectively in fast reload tanks like the Merkava Mk.4/Leclerc/Abrams, but that is where the playstyle and skill level part comes in.
T-90s though, I hate getting anywhere close to the enemy when I play them. If I fight a T-90 and I get close up with them they are usually dead in the water. T-90s are only really scary at range.
and a T-80 CAN yolo rush a corner and hope for the lack of post pen damage to do the rest. I’ve seen some doing so. They knew I was there, fired in the lower plate or the front road wheel at an angle where an Abrams or Leopard would have no more turret basket. Sometimes it kills them in one shot, sometimes it just does nothing, sometimes it yellows the driver, sometimes it only takes the fuel tank out, and sometimes you’ll get the classic “driver-engine”. Occasionally it will kill them, but it’s like playing russian roulette, while disabling any other MBT peaking a corner this way is CONSISTANT
what can or can’t be done, i don’t really care, a Santal or Ozelot can destroy a light tank yolo rushing it for all i know, but it doesn’t tell the whole story
If you peak the right way, they can “only” really kill your driver and engine, then they die.
And yes, because its rare people dont know where to shoot it.
Literally one of the best MBTs in the game
Top two spots are shared by Abrams and leopard 2/swedish equivalents
EF2K is excellent in both air and ground
Brimstones are probably one of if not the best counters to the new pantsir since you can just ripple off a good amount quicker than the SM can intercept while being quick and manouverable enough to avoid missiles/guns.
Brimstones are also perfect for LDIRCM Helis.
Undertiered plane
Should be 12.7
One of if not the best 14.3 aircraft
One of the best AAs, great CAS, lots of leopard 2s and a 2A7.
Multiple Abrams variants, the 12.0 variants are easily on par with non-uparmoured leopard 2s.
CLAWs is good enough and the CAS is meh but very usable.
Leclerc is just a worse Abrams, it’s a solid tank last I checked.
Leopard 2s and AESA Eurofighter.
In fact the Italian euro is the best variant in air RB.
idk i see one i aim lower plate or turret ring and the thing instantly dies
Literally what i said, still useless AA against Helis and bad CAS, but whatever
Solid…
Poor choice of words on this one ngl
Nope that would be the british one. They have ONE leopard 2 which is not enough in a line up. As for a good AESA fighter, who does not get one at this point (Not to mention PESA or AESA basically acts the same in game)
Oh yeah, that seems like the same amount of effort required compared to spamming LMURs while basically being imune to ARH and IIR
You must know if have rank comparison
Take 13.0BR as an example
NATO tank 90%>Russia tank 80%
Russia CAS 120%>NATO CAS 70%
Russia Heli 120%>NATO Heli 100%
Russia SPAA 200%>>NATO SPAA 100%
So many people think NATO tank not enough stronger only because other big gap