Russian Bias in 2026?

[Panther2995]

@An Pigeon

I said the exact same thing until presented with the damn manufactors documents by @Ralin on it.

Ralin himself posts multiple conflicting source when it comes to western tanks, this is not first time he does that. He also thinks Duplet is somehow worse than Kontakt-5.

The source he posted includes barrel raising which all tanks in real life does that, the thing is Gaijin doesnt take that time into account when balancing reload times.

Unless you wanna see other tanks getting reload nerf and especially T-Series considering they have to cycle both autoloader and raise their barrel I suggest dont push it.

[H_ngma]

@An Pigeon

Blast door isn’t the auto loader but is it mate.

Yes it is, the blast door is modeled as part of the bustle autoloader, not as a separate entity.

@An Pigeon

it’s a blast door which is a thick piece of steel lol.

Like pretty much every bit of the carousel?

@An Pigeon

Hardly artificial is it considering these tanks literally have turret baskets, which again where needed for the leopards to pull them back to a balanced stand point.

Yes but the implementation is still artificial tho which is the entire point?

@An Pigeon

Even with said nerfs 2A7 and swedish counterparts are still the best MBTs at top tier.

And they would be even better if Gaijin didnt use selective realism for balancing.

@An Pigeon

So, the armour on the 2A7V a tank from what 2019? armour isn’t classified? .

it is but we know from unclassified sources that its better than what we have in game. The swedish values are the lowest we for sure know and not even those are being met.

@An Pigeon

and how is the 2A7 not hitting those values when it’s one of the most armoured MBTs in game.

Because Gaijin refuses to implement those values? I know its hard to believe but a 15 million $ 66.5 ton machine might actually be heavier armored than some 4.5 million russian shitbox.

@An Pigeon

We do not have it implemented in game to turn that on or off and realistically why should we? .

Because we already can turn off/on the stabilizer which in turn should turn on/off the restriction if Gaijin actually cared about realism in that regard.

@An Pigeon

Not an artificial nerf mate, also you say this as if leopard 2s are bad lol they absolutely fantastic MBTs for their BRs as well as that, still have the title of the best MBT at top tier.

Its literally an artificial nerf disguised as a realism addition but due to it being half assed its not realistic and therefore an artificial nerf.

@An Pigeon

Has sources from the manufactor, which as I was proven / told by gaijin bug reporters over rules that of secondary sources.

You already got your answer to that.

@An Pigeon

There was one on the old forum, how accurate it was is enteriely different

Ok so we can ignore that one then.

[An_Pigeon]

@Panther2995

Unless you wanna see other tanks getting reload nerf and especially T-Series considering they have to cycle both autoloader and raise their barrel I suggest dont push it

Personally I’d like to see them all get reverted to being slower.
It would make the gameplay loop a bit slower and more methodical.

@Panther2995

Ralin himself posts multiple conflicting source when it comes to western tanks, this is not first time he does that. He also thinks Duplet is somehow worse than Kontakt-5.

Difference is a document from a manufactor isn’t exactly conflicting.

@Panther2995

The source he posted includes barrel raising which all tanks in real life does that, the thing is Gaijin doesnt take that time into account when balancing reload times.

I will, when i have time, have a look for it to see if I cannot find the one he was actually showing, it last I checked didn’t include barrel movement only round selection.

@H_ngma

Yes but the implementation is still artificial tho which is the entire point?

artificial how? tell me what is artificial about it? the fact of the matter is when the stabiliser is active the barrel will automatically move the barrel.
The not being able to turn the stab on or off (while it should be a feature and arguably should of been for a while even before this) is not an artificial nerf to the hump.
It’s two seperate things. One may mitigate the other marginally (though you’d be without a stab) it’s not inherently connected.

@H_ngma

And they would be even better if Gaijin didnt use selective realism for balancing.

An Pigeon:

Okay then, they still rofl stomp the other MBTs on the roster. They still are the best in the game.
Like what more do you want? xD there’s a certain line which has to be drawn for balance.
Which is why i am whole heartedly against the likes of the BMPT, the dumb AF cas we have. the even dumber fixed wing russian cas and ofc how strong helis are (and were).

@H_ngma

we for sure know and not even those are being met.

Last I seen anyone talk about it they were in fact just about met ? though it’s been a while since the topic was addressed, you got both the armour of hte tank in game and the swedish trial documents?

@H_ngma

Because Gaijin refuses to implement those values? I know its hard to believe but a 15 million $ 66.5 ton machine might actually be heavier armored than some 4.5 million russian shitbox.

See you’re letting your personal biases affect how to view the game.

• 1 being heavier doesn’t inherently mean more armoured.

• 2 price doesn’t equate to armour.

• 3 CR2 should be more armoured than the vast majority of shit in game and yet it isn’t.
  The Leopard

• 4 you’re comment does absolutely nothing to address the statement in which I made, I said how is the 2A7 not hitting the aformentioned trial numbers when it’s still one of the most armoured MBTs in game from the sounds of it you just want the damn thing ot be unkillable xD

@H_ngma

Because we already can turn off/on the stabilizer which in turn should turn on/off the restriction if Gaijin actually cared about realism in that regard.

the cry of realism, then when turret baskets, safety features etc are implemented you cry about it?
the fact is , as i said above we should hve the control of the FCS to turn on or off the stab.
However the Hump and stab are two different things, which as I said one may mitigate the other somewhat but they’re not inherently connected.

@H_ngma

Its literally an artificial nerf disguised as a realism addition but due to it being half assed its not realistic and therefore an artificial nerf.

again how, you keep repeating it’s half assed but not saying the actual why.

it’s not just leopards which should be able to turn on or off said stabs, it would also allow more tanks to gain more depression in specific areas.

@H_ngma

You already got your answer to that.

An Pigeon:

So he literally posted sources from the manufactor which over rules the sources stating it’s a sub 5 second reload.

@H_ngma

Ok so we can ignore that one then.

Ignore what you want mate.
You always do xD

[Panther2995]

@H_ngma

15 million $ 66.5 ton machine might actually be heavier armored than some 4.5 million russian shitbox.

According to Trickzterr aka Western hater Leopards physically cannot achieve those protection levels which is why 2A7 and 122 sits in their current status.

He also claimed that Type-10 and Leclerc cant also achieve better protection level with those figures, such a circus.

What’s worse is most Gaijin workers actually hates Western designs and tries to nerf them as much as possible which is why they dont take action unless someone reports with detailed information, even then they straight up refuse to fix it if they want to.

[Panther2995]

@An Pigeon

Personally I’d like to see them all get reverted to being slower.
It would make the gameplay loop a bit slower and more methodical.

It would be terrible for Russian tanks, we’re talking about 7.5-8.5 second reload times in here and this times doesnt include autoloader cycling.

@An Pigeon

Difference is a document from a manufactor isn’t exactly conflicting.

Difference is that he purposely ignores the part I mentioned and tried to counter report it.

In the end Gaijin told himself to let it go because they also has access to multiple official sources that indicates Leclerc can reload faster than 6 seconds.

Stop trying to defend one of the most annoying Western hater to me.

[An_Pigeon]

@Panther2995

It would be terrible for Russian tanks, we’re talking about 7.5-8.5 second reload times in here and this times doesnt include autoloader cycling.

it would be terrible for a few tanks mate, it would also bring the damn game back to as I said a slower play style.
There’s literally no reason for a T80U to be slinging a round every 6 seconds.

@Panther2995

Stop trying to defend one of the most annoying Western hater to me.

Again letting personal vendetta / feelings encroach on a discussion.
I’ve no care for how you feel towards him or what he is to you.

He supplied me at the time with a source which I could not counter, one as well which no one has countered. Bar your claim of a response from Gaijin which as it stands I’ll take and move on.

You say he’s a western hater, which I’ve not seen nor heard of bar from yourself , though I’ve had little interactions with him.
However you yourself, and Hnigma clearly have some of your own biases towards the Russian equipment (not the ofc ridiculous additions we’ve had lately as it would be stupid to not be aggrevated at them.)

NATO gear is good sure, but the game should be balanced. Not having one side rofl stomp the other, or if we want it to be 100 percent realism it would be 6-8 NATO vs 16 RUS tanks lol.

[H_ngma]

@An Pigeon

The not being able to turn the stab on or off

We literally can already turn the stab off lol its under stabilizer mode. Thats my entire point, if Gaijin wanted to realistically implement the restriction then they should go all the way and connect it to the stab like it is Irl stab off = restriction off, i really dont know why this is such a hard concept for you.

@An Pigeon

Like what more do you want?

For you to admit that youre wrong and indeed the entirety of russian top tier massively profits from selective realism tanks included?

@An Pigeon

Last I seen anyone talk about it they were in fact just about met ? though it’s been a while since the topic was addressed, you got both the armour of hte tank in game and the swedish trial documents?

@An Pigeon

I said how is the 2A7 not hitting the aformentioned trial numbers when it’s still one of the most armoured MBTs in game from the sounds of it you just want the damn thing ot be unkillable xD

It can be the most armored non ERA tank in the game and still not hit the values? Those things are not mutually exclusive.

@An Pigeon

Ignore what you want mate.
You always do xD

Yes i am indeed going to ignore a statement for which there is 0 proof to be found except for an obscure old forum post that you havent presented. Shocker, i know.

@An Pigeon

However you yourself, and Hnigma clearly have some of your own biases towards the Russian equipment

Please do show where we have a bias thats not explained by data or information, because you certainly cant. Im not going to deny that i have an adversion towards russian equipment but at least i undermine my arguments properly.

[Crazed_Otter]

Gaijin do have clear form for selective deafness when it comes to Western systems without a clear Russian equivalent. Remember the Igla comedy?

‘Because Igla is only capable of X - Stinger and Mistral look similar to Igla - hence they cannot possibly do more.’

Or indeed my personal favourite. Typhoon cannot do what it’s manufacturers say - because… .it is clear marketing lie’.

Gaijin (or at the very least many of those working for them) have a rather odd way of being even-handed and impartial. With attitudes like that on display - is it any wonder we’ve got the full set of Russian Wunderwaffe running around in WT?

[Kievskiy_Minipig]

@Crazed_Otter

Gaijin (or at the very least many of those working for them) have a rather odd way of being even-handed and impartial

They are rand();handed Id say

[小小格温大受影响]

@An Pigeon

Not an artificial nerf mate, also you say this as if leopard 2s are bad lol they absolutely fantastic MBTs for their BRs as well as that, still have the title of the best MBT at top tier.

No one teach you reading ability ? look like you only have middle school level

[DevilO6]

@Crazed_Otter

Russian Wunderwaffe

Russian Wunderwaffe?

???

[AlvisWisla]

@H_ngma

its just a blatant double standard

Are there blast doors that don’t have their armor spall?
Cause your screenshot proves there’s no double standards with autoloaders.

[H_ngma]

There is no double standard with bustle autoloaders, carousel autoloaders on the other hand…
The double standard is about which modules spall and which dont.

[Panther2995]

@An Pigeon

NATO gear is good sure, but the game should be balanced. Not having one side rofl stomp the other,

Hmm in that case I wonder why Gaijin decide to add BMPT, Pantsir SM, LMUR and KH-38MT with their current stats.

@An Pigeon

6-8 NATO vs 16 RUS tanks lol.

Looks like your information is outdated for almost 5 years, wake up buddy Russia is in such pathetic state they reopened T-80 factory and redeploying T-55’s.

[AlvisWisla]

Again, where is the double standard?
Your screenshot shows that no autoloaders generate spalling thus far.

All you’ve shown is armor generates spalling, which is universal across all tanks.

Your post even states that it’s the armor that’s spalling, and not the autoloader.

@H_ngma

Its because the blast door, (?) contrary to the carousel, does actually create secondary spall when hit just like blast doors on manually loaded tanks.

Armor isn’t a module, it’s just armor.

[Panther2995]

@An Pigeon

However you yourself, and Hnigma clearly have some of your own biases towards the Russian equipment (not the ofc ridiculous additions we’ve had lately as it would be stupid to not be aggrevated at them.)

Is that the reason why I have most vehicles in Russian tree?

I love Russian equipments, Soviet/Russia Era indeed produced such gorgeous and powerful machines but I’m also not stupid to ignore how some of them artificially buffed to the point where they straight up ignore laws of physics.

[H_ngma]

Can you please make the slightest effort and look at the picture properly?
The blast door is modeled as part of the bustle autoloader module not as additional armor. Like for example the additional 20mm steel ring on the T90M
No part of the carousel creates spall despite being metal as well.

[Panther2995]

Ah yes my favorite SAM missile that straight up ignores law of physics, totally accurate and realistic comrade )))))

[AlvisWisla]

The armor is not modeled as part of the autoloader module on Leclerc.
They are two separate pieces, which is shown in your screenshot.

Here’s another screenshot showing them as separate as well:

And correct, no part of the Leclerc’s autoloader generates spalling.
Only armor does, and armor isn’t an autoloader.

[Crazed_Otter]

Now, now - let’s not be rude. I’m sure it’ll do every bit as well as their previous high-performance SAMs. Like this BUK for example…