is this bug? where is dmg?
is this bug? where is dmg?
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Damage bug that happens on anything from time to time
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Only sometimes do they create secondary spall. I have no idea the amount of times my leclerc or type 90s have been hit and able to fire back and retreat with obly a black auto loader.
The current baskets only really shafted the leclercs hard.
Tell me the vast amount of protection which is missing does it happen to be classified.
Much akin to CR2 having literally half of its IRL armour and will never get it due to classified leaks.
The NATO hump was a nerf to leopards due to the 2A7 completely taking over top tier.
It still is the best top tier mbt, its not half assed either leoperds as far as i am aware have a safety turned on the majority of the time to prevent them damaging their own barrel or emgine deck.
Leclerc reloads faster than it should.
Sure DF105 and co reload actually slower than they should too.
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The 12.0 ones? They are extra feeder foods for mbts lol some nukes are earned that way
I highly doubt that. You can go into the protection analysis, the blast door creates secondary spall every single time, the carousels never.
Not the point who got shafted the most, they are still completely artificial nerfs.
Not really, the swedish test trials arent classified and the 2 decades newer 2A7V isnt even hitting those values.
Its completely half assed, the restriction is part of the stabilizer which we can already turn off so theres very little reason for Gaijin to not implement an ovverride based on stab on/stab off. But ofc they didnt want to do that since artificially nerfing the Leopard 2 was the goal after all.
Conflicting first hand sources on that one. The Leclerc can do 5 seconds and could do even 4 iirc
Never heard of that one ever before and im also not seeing a bug report regarding that.
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What are you talking about?
Leclerc can even push to 3.5-4 second reload if the situation calls.
Same goes for Type-90/10, both tanks can reload faster irl.
A couple of those clips gotta be in my compilation right?
You do realize hit analysis is not accurate in this case right?
In real life shell cannot contain its original form as it penetrates the armor, it becomes rather deformed or splashed hot piece of metal inside the tank.
The screenshot you posted is perfect example in this case, the shell penetrated the armor caused spalling around breach and crew then whatever left from that spall reached to autoloader but couldn’t ignite the shell.
You’re just using Gaijin’s lazy model as an example, also second video you posted has nothing to with autoloader.
Blast door isn’t the auto loader but is it mate.
it’s a blast door which is a thick piece of steel lol.
I would bounce onto the game before work and show it but I can’t as the damn game wont authorise the server.
Hardly artificial is it considering these tanks literally have turret baskets, which again where needed for the leopards to pull them back to a balanced stand point. Even with said nerfs 2A7 and swedish counterparts are still the best MBTs at top tier.
They also didn’t add them to the likes of the arietes or the CR2s
So, the armour on the 2A7V a tank from what 2019? armour isn’t classified? .
The armour trials from the swedish trials are a baseline, and how is the 2A7 not hitting those values when it’s one of the most armoured MBTs in game.
read what you’re saying turn the stab off to unstabilise the gun and override the safety. We do not have it implemented in game to turn that on or off and realistically why should we? .
Not an artificial nerf mate, also you say this as if leopard 2s are bad lol they absolutely fantastic MBTs for their BRs as well as that, still have the title of the best MBT at top tier.
@Ralin Has sources from the manufactor, which as I was proven / told by gaijin bug reporters over rules that of secondary sources.
There was one on the old forum, how accurate it was is enteriely different
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I said the exact same thing until presented with the damn manufactors documents by @Ralin on it.
There’s no official document stating the auto loader can fire faster than 6 a second, a lot of 2nd hand sources.
YOu wouldn’t of had to comment this if my post, which is now just posted, had uploaded when it was supposed to.
Type 90 and Type 10 are not the leclerc, different tanks, different systems, differnet documents, specifically to which I haven’t read, at all.
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Ralin himself posts multiple conflicting source when it comes to western tanks, this is not first time he does that. He also thinks Duplet is somehow worse than Kontakt-5.
The source he posted includes barrel raising which all tanks in real life does that, the thing is Gaijin doesnt take that time into account when balancing reload times.
Unless you wanna see other tanks getting reload nerf and especially T-Series considering they have to cycle both autoloader and raise their barrel I suggest dont push it.
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Yes it is, the blast door is modeled as part of the bustle autoloader, not as a separate entity.
Like pretty much every bit of the carousel?
Yes but the implementation is still artificial tho which is the entire point?
And they would be even better if Gaijin didnt use selective realism for balancing.
it is but we know from unclassified sources that its better than what we have in game. The swedish values are the lowest we for sure know and not even those are being met.
Because Gaijin refuses to implement those values? I know its hard to believe but a 15 million $ 66.5 ton machine might actually be heavier armored than some 4.5 million russian shitbox.
Because we already can turn off/on the stabilizer which in turn should turn on/off the restriction if Gaijin actually cared about realism in that regard.
Its literally an artificial nerf disguised as a realism addition but due to it being half assed its not realistic and therefore an artificial nerf.
You already got your answer to that.
Ok so we can ignore that one then.
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Personally I’d like to see them all get reverted to being slower.
It would make the gameplay loop a bit slower and more methodical.
Difference is a document from a manufactor isn’t exactly conflicting.
I will, when i have time, have a look for it to see if I cannot find the one he was actually showing, it last I checked didn’t include barrel movement only round selection.
artificial how? tell me what is artificial about it? the fact of the matter is when the stabiliser is active the barrel will automatically move the barrel.
The not being able to turn the stab on or off (while it should be a feature and arguably should of been for a while even before this) is not an artificial nerf to the hump.
It’s two seperate things. One may mitigate the other marginally (though you’d be without a stab) it’s not inherently connected.
Okay then, they still rofl stomp the other MBTs on the roster. They still are the best in the game.
Like what more do you want? xD there’s a certain line which has to be drawn for balance.
Which is why i am whole heartedly against the likes of the BMPT, the dumb AF cas we have. the even dumber fixed wing russian cas and ofc how strong helis are (and were).
Last I seen anyone talk about it they were in fact just about met ? though it’s been a while since the topic was addressed, you got both the armour of hte tank in game and the swedish trial documents?
See you’re letting your personal biases affect how to view the game.
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1 being heavier doesn’t inherently mean more armoured.
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2 price doesn’t equate to armour.
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3 CR2 should be more armoured than the vast majority of shit in game and yet it isn’t.
The Leopard -
4 you’re comment does absolutely nothing to address the statement in which I made, I said how is the 2A7 not hitting the aformentioned trial numbers when it’s still one of the most armoured MBTs in game from the sounds of it you just want the damn thing ot be unkillable xD
the cry of realism, then when turret baskets, safety features etc are implemented you cry about it?
the fact is , as i said above we should hve the control of the FCS to turn on or off the stab.
However the Hump and stab are two different things, which as I said one may mitigate the other somewhat but they’re not inherently connected.
again how, you keep repeating it’s half assed but not saying the actual why.
it’s not just leopards which should be able to turn on or off said stabs, it would also allow more tanks to gain more depression in specific areas.
So he literally posted sources from the manufactor which over rules the sources stating it’s a sub 5 second reload.
Ignore what you want mate.
You always do xD
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According to Trickzterr aka Western hater Leopards physically cannot achieve those protection levels which is why 2A7 and 122 sits in their current status.
He also claimed that Type-10 and Leclerc cant also achieve better protection level with those figures, such a circus.
What’s worse is most Gaijin workers actually hates Western designs and tries to nerf them as much as possible which is why they dont take action unless someone reports with detailed information, even then they straight up refuse to fix it if they want to.
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It would be terrible for Russian tanks, we’re talking about 7.5-8.5 second reload times in here and this times doesnt include autoloader cycling.
Difference is that he purposely ignores the part I mentioned and tried to counter report it.
In the end Gaijin told himself to let it go because they also has access to multiple official sources that indicates Leclerc can reload faster than 6 seconds.
Stop trying to defend one of the most annoying Western hater to me.
it would be terrible for a few tanks mate, it would also bring the damn game back to as I said a slower play style.
There’s literally no reason for a T80U to be slinging a round every 6 seconds.
Again letting personal vendetta / feelings encroach on a discussion.
I’ve no care for how you feel towards him or what he is to you.
He supplied me at the time with a source which I could not counter, one as well which no one has countered. Bar your claim of a response from Gaijin which as it stands I’ll take and move on.
You say he’s a western hater, which I’ve not seen nor heard of bar from yourself , though I’ve had little interactions with him.
However you yourself, and Hnigma clearly have some of your own biases towards the Russian equipment (not the ofc ridiculous additions we’ve had lately as it would be stupid to not be aggrevated at them.)
NATO gear is good sure, but the game should be balanced. Not having one side rofl stomp the other, or if we want it to be 100 percent realism it would be 6-8 NATO vs 16 RUS tanks lol.
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We literally can already turn the stab off lol its under stabilizer mode. Thats my entire point, if Gaijin wanted to realistically implement the restriction then they should go all the way and connect it to the stab like it is Irl stab off = restriction off, i really dont know why this is such a hard concept for you.
For you to admit that youre wrong and indeed the entirety of russian top tier massively profits from selective realism tanks included?
It can be the most armored non ERA tank in the game and still not hit the values? Those things are not mutually exclusive.
Yes i am indeed going to ignore a statement for which there is 0 proof to be found except for an obscure old forum post that you havent presented. Shocker, i know.
Please do show where we have a bias thats not explained by data or information, because you certainly cant. Im not going to deny that i have an adversion towards russian equipment but at least i undermine my arguments properly.
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Gaijin do have clear form for selective deafness when it comes to Western systems without a clear Russian equivalent. Remember the Igla comedy?
‘Because Igla is only capable of X - Stinger and Mistral look similar to Igla - hence they cannot possibly do more.’
Or indeed my personal favourite. Typhoon cannot do what it’s manufacturers say - because… .it is clear marketing lie’.
Gaijin (or at the very least many of those working for them) have a rather odd way of being even-handed and impartial. With attitudes like that on display - is it any wonder we’ve got the full set of Russian Wunderwaffe running around in WT?
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They are rand();handed Id say