Russian Bias in 2026?

[H_ngma]

@HondaCivici

My main issue with this take is that we don’t know KD breakdown.

That’s true but with the performance of LDIRCM Helis its just quite unlikely that they have a hardcounter. However i did take a look at earlier stats and the Pantsir KD nose dived when free SPAA was added so you might have a point that the Pantsir is a lot better but the KD is watered down by stock players that dont know what theyre doing.

@HondaCivici

What I’m mainly confused is why the Dutch has a significantly better KD than the Taiwanese, Indonesian, and British

Im pretty sure the dutch one is just and outlier and theyll all have more or less US stats over time.

@HondaCivici

What’s even interesting is the Mi-28NM despite being from the big 3, and being played the most compared to any other heli, it nearly the same KD as the Chinease and the Dutch.

Thats true and thats literally just LMURs being better than JAGMs and russia having the densest net of anti air in top tier thanks to free Pantsirs.

@HondaCivici

and you can correlate that with your experience

The problem with that is that its highly subjective especially in a game that makes it so hard to experience the other side

[_Renzo]

@SadRIPer

t-90m has +/- same mobility as nato mbts, except going backward

Not even close lmao.

@SadRIPer

but they do have +/- the same mobility.

Again, not even close lmao.

The T-90M is notably worse than NATO tanks like the Abrams, Leclerc, Type 10 etc in terms of mobility.

This is just another case of the grass is greener on the other side.

[An_Pigeon]

@SadRIPer

stopped reading at “Nato mbts have better armor”. You’re trying to ragebait me, good job

Better turret armour.
Read properly also the strv122 has more effective armour yhan T90M

[An_Pigeon]

Dudes blocked me cause i said he was wrong.
Then proceeded to miss quote me

[ShOt_MaCkEr]

@An_Pigeon

Better turret armour.

Also wrong, lol

[An_Pigeon]

Last i checked the kd of the Ah64 was up there with tbe MI28, even missing most its capabilities.

[An_Pigeon]

How is it wrong 😂 you can breach t90M , turret ring is a shot trap, as well as the top of the turret allows you to kill crew + breach it easily

[H_ngma]

@An_Pigeon

ou can breach t90M , turret ring is a shot trap

Hows that any different on NATO tanks tho? The Abrams also has a massive turret ring and the Leopard 2s still suffer from the breech spall bug. Im not saying that they are worse in any way but acting like there are big differences in turret armor is kinda useless

[ShOt_MaCkEr]

You know you can kill NATO mbts through the breach?
You know that some if not all NATO mbts have a turret ring weaker than ru ones? You can kill the whole abrams through it in your BMPT, try it out.
Also do you know how many NATO turrets provide at least some protection from the side?
None.

[MotorolaCRO]

@ShOt_MaCkEr

It’s a free SPAA.

There was a time when it wasn’t a free AA, but it didn’t really perform anywhere close to the current SLM levels.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

I could also say that 80% of it’s users are not very good.

I could say that about everything from major nations though.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

But even they manage to shoot down 90-100% of incoming munition

I don’t think you need MLG pros to see things on the radar, lock and fire towards it.

[CyrusJacob]

@HondaCivici

What I’m mainly confused is why the Dutch has a significantly better KD than the Taiwanese, Indonesian, and British (excluding the US as it’s a major nation)

I think that’s because France often ends up against Germany. And Germany is the worst major nation to deal with these helis.

[SadRIPer]

“NATO MBT turrets are stronger. As a matter of fact, NATO MBTs have good armors”

Russian bias

[H_ngma]

Eh the Leclercs and Arietes are a bit of a low bar, the other 3 dont look nearly this bad

[SadRIPer]

I don’t understand why Gaijin considers Leclercs/Arietes/Challengers/Abrams/Merkavas/Types/TKX have that weak of an armor

I mean I understand why, nvm

[H_ngma]

@SadRIPer

I don’t understand why Gaijin considers Leclercs/Arietes/Challengers/Abrams/Merkavas/Types/TKX have that weak of an armor

Because evolution in armor is a marketing lie when it doesnt have a cool name like Relikt /s

[SadRIPer]

Remove the /s pls

[_Renzo]

Is this specifically about the T-90M or was the discussion about other T-series as well?

Because the BVM turret is laughably easy to pen/disable/kill.

[SadRIPer]

Everywhere is paper on NATO mbts

[H_ngma]

Not clear, its just your average “NATO MBT vs T series” argument thats completely useless since NATO is half a dozen MBTs that are completely different to each other and not even the T series behave the same.

[_Renzo]

Fair enough, I just saw the Ariete and Leclerc example again so I get what you mean.