It’s easy to see that SLM is much better at taking down average aerial threats than Pantsir.
Considering it can barely even try to engage a certain type of helicopters, it means that it has to be extremely deadly against every other type of aerial threat in order to keep it’s stats as high as they are right now.
Now transfer this logic to Pantsir and assume it’s extremely good anti-helicopter abilities is what keeps it’s stats at the current level. This would imply that Pantsir is beyond atrocious against anything and everything else as certain flaw(s) has to drag it’s stats down.
This alone breaks your theory as things that are extremely good at dealing with the average enemy tend to have great stats, which Pantsir doesn’t.
It’s a free SPAA. And as a frequent force opposing the pantsir I could also say that 80% of it’s users are not very good. And it’s also a part of the most played top tier nation in the game.
But even they manage to shoot down 90-100% of incoming munition, which is hilarious. IRIS-T lacks this capability almost entirely.
Those threats being Planes and Drones. We know it’s good at shooting down munitions but we do not know how it compares to the Pantsir. Global Statistics can’t tell us that.
All it shows it that it’s worse at killing planes but it doesn’t show that it struggles against them. In addition it doesn’t show that it struggles against taking out munitions.
This is important because the pantsir relies on taking out munitions as a way of air defense. The pantsir is better because it can do this at any range where as with IRIST, there is a minimum engagement distance.
Incorrect, if you look at the KD of the pantsir, over time is fluctuates from 1-1.2. even after the LDIRCM helis, it still maintains that fluctuation (most likely due to playerbase).
The reason why it’s sub 1 kd right now is because everyone has access to it.
If you look at the KD for the IRIST, it took a dramatic drop from 2 to 1.4 and is on a slight decline since december.
All of what you said is assumption, because you are unable to break down the stats. This is why using Stat Shark as your source is not reliable. At best it can give you trends, outliers and at worst, it can give you false conclusions as you are doing so now.
It’s funny how you mention that the 64E is equal or even better compared to the Mi-28NM even though your “source” directly contradicts what you’re saying. Guess it didn’t fit with your narrative lol.
I agree with you on the former btw, I just don’t use vague data points
That’s true but with the performance of LDIRCM Helis its just quite unlikely that they have a hardcounter. However i did take a look at earlier stats and the Pantsir KD nose dived when free SPAA was added so you might have a point that the Pantsir is a lot better but the KD is watered down by stock players that dont know what theyre doing.
Im pretty sure the dutch one is just and outlier and theyll all have more or less US stats over time.
Thats true and thats literally just LMURs being better than JAGMs and russia having the densest net of anti air in top tier thanks to free Pantsirs.
The problem with that is that its highly subjective especially in a game that makes it so hard to experience the other side
Hows that any different on NATO tanks tho? The Abrams also has a massive turret ring and the Leopard 2s still suffer from the breech spall bug. Im not saying that they are worse in any way but acting like there are big differences in turret armor is kinda useless
You know you can kill NATO mbts through the breach?
You know that some if not all NATO mbts have a turret ring weaker than ru ones? You can kill the whole abrams through it in your BMPT, try it out.
Also do you know how many NATO turrets provide at least some protection from the side?
None.
