Tam 2, turm III, T58 are just 3 off the top of my head
1 : where is my ballistic computer on the gazelle ?
2 : t-90m has +/- same mobility as nato mbts, except going backward
3 : “that’s how armor works” except when it’s nato armors, because nato armors are cardboard which don’t stop anything
4 : you ignored the rest of the vehicles on purpose because you know I’m right and that Russia has op vehicles in comparaison to other nations which are poo
5 : helirushing is bad, so everyone is bad. But Russia doesn’t have light helicopters that can helirush, so they don’t care about helirushing. Hence it only disavantages NATO helicopters
6 : thank you for reminding me the T-34-85 (STP), fully stabilized at 6.3 like wtf ? another bias. IS-2 eats tigers and t-34s for diner (direct turret front hit and the’re all dead. Cannot say the same with the IS-2, if it’s angled weirdly with its round turret, people know what I mean)
7 : except sweeden, every other nato ifv are crap. Can’t pen a russian lower front plate. 2s38 can pen anything as if it had top tier mbt apfsd
I notice you didnt reply concerning the other FACTS, because you know I’m right. Hence, I won’t answer about those things I just listed, because it would be a way for you to avoid talking about the first things I listed and that you didnt reply to.
What disproves Russian bias?
The French have been dominating air RB for the past 14 months, and only recently has there been a plane on par with the Rafale.
America has by far the best air tree and numerous undertiered planes.
Mig-29 vs F-15A.
11.7-13.0 blufor dominance in air sim.
Many OP premiums and TT vehicles found in other nations, as well as others that were more OP than the BMPT on release.
Concerning the french jets dominating, it’s normal they dominate because IRL (I’m not saying that because I’m french), we have probably the best jets that exist. Their technology is very good. It’s even questionnable if american jets are better. Again, I don’t understand why a russian jet is suddendly better than the french ones, except to impose a bias, once again
We don’t really care about planes anyway, because everybody play GRB, and in GRB, planes focus on tanks => bomb them, missile them or whatever, but never really fight plane vs plane or jet vs jet. So even if 1 nation is better than the other in the air, we can’t really see it in GRB anyway
The only “”“op”“” premiums I recall are the turm/maus/t58. And they’re not “that” op. But the bmpt, 279 back in the days (and still nowadays in some cases), is-6/7 back in the days, pe-8, yak-9k, 2s38 etc are real op vehicles.
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How does it? 60kmph forward is no where near on par with nato MBTs bar maybe thr cr2
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Stev122 is the most armoured top tier
Same. I’m a gluten for punishment I guess.
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It’s the same, you never reach max speed in the middle of a fight, hence t90m and nato mbts go basically at the same speed mid fight, one is not disavantaged compared to the other during a fight
We could talk about how it’s useless for nato mbts to go to max speed 80kmph to flank/take a good position as russian mbts just have to camp hull down somewhere and kill everyone to win a match /// rush you in an urban corner and kill you (so your flank/quick good positionning is useless), but we wont
And I said I wouldn’t argue with you anymore, I feel like you’re a russian bot who wants to defend Russia just because he has a lineup he doesn’t want to be nerfed. Pointless to talk with you, you have an ideology, which is to defend Russia at any cost
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It is what it is, we put money in those wrong premiums, sadly (at least I did, and I regret that. Would have had a lot of fun if I chose Russia instead. And I would have won 70% of the time, the dream)
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It probably never had one, and I wouldn’t expect everything to be the same on Russian vs non Russian vehicles. Doesn’t the Gazelle get ATGMs and doesn’t need a ballistic computer?
Also, did you know that the Mi-24A is 8.7 without one too? Infact, it was recently removed and stayed at the same BR.
Top speed != mobility.
NATO vehicles have armour, just look at the Leo 2A7s. However I do agree that they are underperforming compared to IRL.
I know the Yak-9K is OP, but the others you mentioned just aren’t.
This makes no sense/
It is stabilized the 76mm Jumbo (and not a full stab), which is a significantly better tank.
The Tiger Is can do the same with their nuke shell without suffering through a 20 second reload.
Because there isn’t bias if they weren’t the best for an entire year.
This is just an excuse to not talk about the OP non Russian vehicles.
What’s OP about the PE-8?
Also, if we are talking about previously OP vehicles, you have the EBR (1954), J-7D, Harrier Gr.1 on release, and that’s just naming a few.
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Once again, you’re missing the point. You cannot compare two vehicles in a vacuum by using global statistics because those statistics don’t tell you enough detail.
If you can’t break down global statistics and what they represent, then you shouldn’t be using them, it’s as simple as that.
If you want to say the IRIST is more effective at taking out helicopters because it has a higher KD than a Pantsir, then be my guest lol.
From the looks of it, seems like you agree that the Mi-28NM is better than the Apaches when it comes to CAS because it has a better KD than it. The Dutch Apache does slightly better but since French players are typically experienced, it makes sense why it has a high KD.
If the Mi-28NM was in France, then it would perform significantly better than the Dutch Apache. This is according to your logic…
I disagree that the Apache is worse but since you seem to rely on very vague data points, it’s no surprise you’d think like this.
Unless… You rely on Global Statistics when it fits your narrative…
The t90M certainly does not go thr same speed as nato contemporaries in combat mate, I’ve got one.
Nato mbts hull down better as they uave more than -5 gun depression, and better armoured turrets.
Can kill the t90 shooting through its roof.
Please tell me what needs nerfed ? 😂 my main top tier nation is USA with about 1000 games between my abrams, and about half that in CR2s alone.
So again how am i a russian bot? You’ve taken to insulting someone because they’ve used factual evidence against you.
Grow up.
Dude acting like T58 didnt completely annihilate the 8.3 area.
Type 90 didnt wreck 11.0 - 12.0
irist t isnt the strongest SPAA in game yet.
J7D
Youve now got the draken under BRd dominating.
F15A now the same BR as the objectively worse Mig29
Shall i continue?
If you look at the 0-30 times, the Russian MBTs aren’t the best. The BVM is mobile, but it isn’t extraordinarily so.
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JAGM are in no way better than LMUR
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1 : gazelle is used nowadays in Ukraine and parts of Africa, I can’t believe it doesn’t have a ballistic computer. It’s modern tech, we are at the modern age. The gazelle is 9.7, not 8.7. Russian 9.7 helis have ballistic computer, why not Gazelle ? Bias.
2 : yes that’s what I’m saying. They don’t have the same top speed, but they do have +/- the same mobility.
3 : The only mbts which have armors ingame are : t-series, leos, strvs (which are leos). All the other ones (which are nato ofc) have paper armor everywhere : abrams, leclercs, challengers, arietes, merkavas, types, tkx. In other words, NATO have cardboard mbt armors lol.
4 : and what they’re doing to balanced the yak-9k ? Nothing. Bias.
5 : yes it does make sense. Russia doesn’t need to do helirush, because they don’t have light helis (so they can’t do helirush). Thus, the only nations which can do helirush are NATO. But helirush is broken. So NATO is disadvantaged, again (nobody wants to use a Little-Bird for anything else than helirush. But when you try to helirush with little-bird, you instantly die, for the reasons I already gave).
6 : the 76mm jumbo is not fully stabilized.
7 : you’ll bounce most of the time with tiger II/t34 shells against an is-2 turret (or one of those medium t34 turrets) if they’re angled weirdly, with their round turret. The modeling is just broken, they can eat a shell like if it was nothing, even from tiger 2.
8 : Russia has been the best everywhere for 14 years now.
9 : we can talk about them, but we have to talk about the su-30s dominating every top tier grb game first.
10 : back in the days (and for several, several years before we can see some nato equivalence), the pe-8 was the only op plane capable of destroying a whole team with 1 single bomb. For years, I remind you. The ebr was not op, it was just one of the first flanker in low tier back in the days. So it was considered “op” because everyone was heavy and slow. Harrier, it was just for the meme because it had that vertical fly capability. But it’s garbage anyway
And the important thing here is : they, maybe, were op back in the days, but not anymore. Today, even op russian vehicles back in the days are still op nowadays. That’s called a bias.
tbf, most of the stuff that is faster is a br or two lower
the only top tier stuff there that out accelerates it are the leclercs and WZ1001
I stopped reading at “Nato mbts have better armor”. You’re trying to ragebait me, good job
I’ll put u in ignore mode now
t-90m + bvm VS m1a2 sep/ leclerc/strv/challenger/leos it’s all the same, we’re talking about X/100th s it’s absolutely nothing, consider them having the same acceleration mid fight thus having the same mobility mid fight, wtf are u on about
damn mb
It’s easy to see that SLM is much better at taking down average aerial threats than Pantsir.
Considering it can barely even try to engage a certain type of helicopters, it means that it has to be extremely deadly against every other type of aerial threat in order to keep it’s stats as high as they are right now.
Now transfer this logic to Pantsir and assume it’s extremely good anti-helicopter abilities is what keeps it’s stats at the current level. This would imply that Pantsir is beyond atrocious against anything and everything else as certain flaw(s) has to drag it’s stats down.
This alone breaks your theory as things that are extremely good at dealing with the average enemy tend to have great stats, which Pantsir doesn’t.
It’s a free SPAA. And as a frequent force opposing the pantsir I could also say that 80% of it’s users are not very good. And it’s also a part of the most played top tier nation in the game.
But even they manage to shoot down 90-100% of incoming munition, which is hilarious. IRIS-T lacks this capability almost entirely.
Those threats being Planes and Drones. We know it’s good at shooting down munitions but we do not know how it compares to the Pantsir. Global Statistics can’t tell us that.
All it shows it that it’s worse at killing planes but it doesn’t show that it struggles against them. In addition it doesn’t show that it struggles against taking out munitions.
This is important because the pantsir relies on taking out munitions as a way of air defense. The pantsir is better because it can do this at any range where as with IRIST, there is a minimum engagement distance.
Incorrect, if you look at the KD of the pantsir, over time is fluctuates from 1-1.2. even after the LDIRCM helis, it still maintains that fluctuation (most likely due to playerbase).
The reason why it’s sub 1 kd right now is because everyone has access to it.
If you look at the KD for the IRIST, it took a dramatic drop from 2 to 1.4 and is on a slight decline since december.
All of what you said is assumption, because you are unable to break down the stats. This is why using Stat Shark as your source is not reliable. At best it can give you trends, outliers and at worst, it can give you false conclusions as you are doing so now.
It’s funny how you mention that the 64E is equal or even better compared to the Mi-28NM even though your “source” directly contradicts what you’re saying. Guess it didn’t fit with your narrative lol.
I agree with you on the former btw, I just don’t use vague data points