My parting comment would be this. Prove me wrong. Play absolute top tier GRB - but only non-Russian vehicles exclusively this weekend for some games. Nothing mad, just a dozen over the course of the weekend to get a sample. Even better - play UK top tier.
After all, if you’re right and I’m wrong - you’ll have similar win rates, kills, and enjoyment playing in the Challenger 2s as in the T-80BVMs. You will doubtless be able to demonstrate how easy it is to CAS in an Apache or a Tornado.
Show me a statshark sample showing the above is evident and I’ll post a full retraction and apology.
Only one nation has anywhere near the range though.
and It’s the nation that has the most egregious FnF missiles.
Britain has ADATS max range 8-10km that LMUR has a range of 15km ish
Germany - FLAKRAD 10-12km again same issue
Sweden ITO -10-12km
Italy…LOL
France - ITO 10-12km same issue.
China - HQ17 12-15km
Simply put SACLOS SAMs of every other nation all but one can intercept these Helicopters as they get into firing range.
Pantsir S1 15-20km range so while SACLOS may be the solution to these broken DIRCM helicopters only one nation has the tools to effectively counter it. Everyone else has to try and sneak closer or use an aircraft to shoot them down.
Motorola is a multi-nation player.
He alongside tripod2008, and countless others get to live in my head rent free full of positive opinions.
I might have major communication issues translating thoughts into text, but the respect I have for people that civilly share their perspectives is strong.
Tiger UHT can pop up and launch 1 - 2 PARS 3s before dipping back down all within 3 - 7 seconds.
Any SACLOS SPAA will struggle to hit a player doing that tactic.
Win rates are reliant on team mates.
Enjoyment and frags though. I can’t speak for Motorola, but I enjoy Challenger 2s far more than I ever did BVM.
KDR is about the same.
Only USA and China have 16 15km F&F missiles on helicopters.
Soviets have 8x LMUR… which results are yet to be seen.
HQ-17, Pantsir, and ARH slingers exist. Even if all helicopters [including AH-64E, the most powerful helicopter in the game currently] are resistant to ARHs more than they should be due to rotors not being highly detailed.
Chinese missiles seem to need more than one to kill a tank. LMUR in my limited experience of seeing them are a OHK.
HQ17 range is shorter than Pantsirs it’s maximum is 15km the missile will be hard to control at those extreme ranges.
You can’t kill Helis with ARHMs the doppler effect from the rotor blades still isn’t modelled they basically multipath them.
Ah-64E is also very good having FnF missiles is very good the problem isn’t that the missiles are FnF it is they can currently acheive this while being immune to the new SAM systems and out of range of the old ones.
Yes all AA systems fall into this category, if you have a good SAM/AAA player actively trying to kill you, you are likely going to die. This is the case from 5.0 with a Wirbelwind to 12.0 with a Pantsir.
Bad AA/SAM players are the ones who get distracted allowing that one jet/heli who you have been trying to kill get the better of you.
Were we not talking about the MH-60 with Hellfires?
Smoke works against laser guided missiles like a Brimstone and Hellfire. Smoke and move and you wont die.
Agreed but it still can and if that greedy heli comes into 12km range the others mentioned still have a problem shooting it down. Pantsir can
Oh dear, you’re not really doing your argument very many favours are you?
You claim RU isn’t overperforming relative to other nations. You are then given the simple challenge of ‘go on, then play one of those other nations this weekend’.
All of a sudden the bluster just disappears. What are you afraid of?
We already know which countries are the best out there, UK isn’t one of those.
I hope you can muster up an answer to my questions in the next dozen replies though.
You’re quick enough to claim UK Mains have a victim mentality in these RU Bias threads, I would have thought you’d jump at the chance to prove them wrong?
CAS players are greedy, they often over extend even at lower BRs when the threat is a Gepard can soon bring down any aircraft that comes into it’s effective range.
AH-60 gets spikes…thats a little different.
They can but at that point those FnF missiles have likely targeted those SAMs
So having played it before in similar conditions you’ll have no problem playing it now then. I’m still waiting for you back up your protestations with action.
I mean, throughout the thread you’ve said how bad players tend to think Russian vehicles are OP. You’re not bad - so you can show the class how it’s done can’t you!
