And i have like 5 and a half nations in top tier, you don’t know what you are talking about.
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In general conversation with the russians about this is pointless.
Obviously u will say otherwise WHILE HAVING 71% win ratio in russian vehicles.
you people are hopeless haha xD this is comedy
Yea, somebody has to have the best at something somewhere. I guess if it was USA or Germany it would be fine in your book.
Same as IRIS-T is fine and Pantsir was not.
2S38 is nowhere near head to head with hstvl.
If you die to 2S38, it’s because you didn’t see it or it’s a skill issue.
Pantsir always was the most overrated SPAA in the game. It was and is good, but far from the death bubble people whine about.
Hahahha
1: I wasnt on the “excel” sheet (also there was more than 9 IrisT)
2: Ok how I am suposed to “get good at the game” when a Ka52 behind a rock destroy the 2 Vt1 that I sent to him (yes I tried tho direct them in variable directions to avoid this) and hit me through smoke while I am reloading after spawning?
I also have 70% winrate with france, so what.
Italy close to it with 65% or so.
And Isreal and GB probably artificial lower due to US teammates.
Funny that he has a 75% win rate in the leclerc
That is his highest winrate followed by the Sabra Mk1 and the Fox before a Russian tank
Man remember you are attempting to have a conversation about this with russians. Just a reminder.
Thats actually pretty funny since i only brought the Fox to top tier and never played it on it’s BR.
Guess the Eurofighter wasn’t broken at all.
1: Yes but the big problem is one nation having the best CAS and the best AA for almost 2 years.
2: Again bro, you can´t just say “skill issue” at everything that you can´t argue back.
3: Overrated? maybe, but still the best AA for almost 2 years, having a good AA makes your cas better because you have to worry less about enemy cas.
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KH38 came to early, i agree. Still Eurofighter was immune to Pantsir and still is.
What do you want me to argue about ? If you are saying the 2S38 is OP and on par with HSTVL there is nothing i can say to convince you otherwise.
Yes, it required more than 2 braincells to kill and was annoying to deal with, with certain planes.
And still i killed hundreds of them in Harriers, AMX and Phantoms, mostly even with dumb rockets.
That indeed is an issue, but the kh38 only became a really big issue with the introduction of the Su34 imo, because it was more limited on the su25sm3 and the platform itself had worse kinematics.
So until firebirds the Cas situation was somewhat balanced (between Russia and the US)
And you are acting in bad faith and actively cluttering this thread with irrelevant off topic
The SU25SM3 was giga broken up until Fox3 arrived, then it became irrelevant.
Su34 alone was still fine, because it’s a bus. The real issue came with the SU30 that gave them a striker and a fighter to spawn with that missile.
Until next update that is
(which should be next week afaik)
I totally forgot about the IR missile spam meta we had back then, makes sense with its ammount of CMs and MAWs
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okey ivan
grab yourself a rubble
2S38 has never gone head to head with HSTVL and has never been better than HSTVL.
2S38 is also not an IFV.
Soviet CAS didn’t get supersonic OP CAS until November 2024. Soviet CAS was absolute garbage until they got an AGM-65G that could launch faster.
NATO has had OP CAS from 2022 - 2025. Soviet CAS was OP from March 2024 - June 2025.
It took less time for Gaijin to make counters against IR AGM slingers the moment Su-25SM3 was added than it took Gaijin to make counters like LS/CA5, Pantsir, and Type 81 against LGBU carriers.
To this day Soviet CAS without Kh-38s are 1 - 2BRs above NATO equivalents in ground battles.
Granted, I don’t care that they are higher BR because the only time I mained CAS was 2022 - 2024 until I got bored of never being threatened by SPAA.
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So do you have anything of value to add?
You aren’t even trying anymore
for you? no :)
You aren’t adding anything for anyone
Yeah, EF at good distance is immune to pantsir but EF has to do a whole austrian waltz to get a kill if there is a pantsir while a plane with kh38´s just send them all, prays for the best and can defend or go back to the airfield for more.
Bro, 2S38 is at 10.3 with simmilar performance (sometimes worst, sometimes better) with hstvl that is at 11.7.
Again, it is not a thing of “skill issue” or “I can kill it easier” it was the best AA with the best CAS, yeah, suny rockets or bombs can kill a panstir but that also can kill any AA of the game easier, pantsir can defend in close-mid ranges and can defend itself better than any AA.
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