To be fair it is harmless. Swedish (and finnish) tanks at that BR are far better.
But on the other hand it is creating a big problem, because if that rule applies universally, then tech trees would be full of other nations’ stuff cuz they trialled them.
You cant make it simpler.
To be fair mate - you are arguing with a brick wall. He will argue until he’s blue in the face that there is no issue at all (no sirree!) or double-standards with the acceptance of reports whatsoever. Contrary to plenty of evidence.
If it’s the guy I think it is - he plays nothing but arcade anyway.
I literally never said that, even said that there is. You are just lying at this point.
And where does it have to do anything with this thread? Oh yeah nothing, you just think it is a convenient cope out for you.
EDIT:
Also it is very evident that you have zero arguments againt mine, otherwise you would have brought them instead of just doing this laughably bad attempt.
Tripod gave a very comprehensive answer above about certain capabilities being selectively added to the game over others. Oddly enough tending to favour a certain tech tree…
Now, if you cannot or will not understand that. Well, that’s a you problem.
Have a nice day. Blows Kiss
BTW - Nice flagging spamming. You have fun now.
He gave a single example.
Even if we pretend that this ONLY happens to the RU TT, that is not proof of bias.
They were literally not answered.
This is a nice little projection considering that you cant understand that listing things is not proof of anything.
Let’s say that there is John. John has a wife Mary. Neighbores hear them argue and shout loudly at each other because John found out that Mary is cheating on him with Greg.
Later that day Mary and Greg are found shot to death in Johns and Mary’s house with John’s gun and John is nowhere to be found.
Question:
Did John kill them?
While the listed things here are making it seem that John is the killer, the actual answer is: we dont know.
Just like you guys list a bunch of things and say “hahah, bias proven!!”
Either you must provide a source code fragment that shows that game handles shot damage and pen calculations.
Or you have to give a logical argument why the only possible explanation to the bug report situation is russian bias, which is something that is very, very hard to do.
It any case, the burden of proof is on you, since you guys make the claim that there is russian bias, so you are the ones who have to provide evidence and proof.
Again, this is a projection.
What?
While I fully agree with the logic, the problem becomes when you can see a clear consistent pattern for things not turning out in a fair manner, and gaijin not doing a good job of addressing it.
If you are talking about the bug reports:
Have you looked at every single report and made yur conclusion, or just seen a few like this and your confirmation bias went full speed in?
Is there anything with which they make a good job?
I’m talking about long term perception of the game’s development.
Short list.
So confirmatio bias…
See?
No.
No.
Yes.
All you’ve managed to say is you disagree with me.
Let’s play ball, since I’m on my lunch break. This list could be longer but I stuck to 10/10.
Ka-50/52 added with almost invulnerable damage models compared to helos of other nations. Only after several YEARS was the issue with zombie Kamovs fixed.
Su-25 added with the durability to headbutt multiple stingers. Su-25K being particularly good for borked damage models.
T-34/85 - 85mm gun shown in game files to be given slope modifiers.
IS-6 - extra turret armour (invisible) ‘accidentally added’ to the release version.
Most of the T-series tanks, which until recently had autoloaders that magically absorbed shells consistently.
Soyuz basically breaking Naval Battles. Enough said.
Numerous prototypes being given out to the RU tree (2s38, et al) but basic, yawning gaps in the trees of other nations where actual service vehicles do exist.
Pantsir plus the KA / Su-25 KH scourge. Because let’s give a tree the best CAS, the best SAM and the best attack helo all at once.
Russian manufacturer sources being taken as gospel without secondary confirmation. coughs in KH38.
Russian ERA being VERY overtuned despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. K1 and K5 should not be absorbing 120mm darts; yet for the longest time they did. They still do rather more than I’d like…
Meanwhile…
Challenger 2 armour scheme being misread and misapplied despite a torrent of reports. Just a quick google would tell them all they needed to know.
Non-Russian NERA in general being hobbled; US, French, UK, the lot.
The by-now infamous ‘Igla similar to Stinger hence it cannot possibly be better’ debacle.
The comedy gold that was the Typhoon ‘We think is marketing lie.’ That was a response from a dev. Also the radar not working for about two months after release.
Cromwell having it’s turret armour nerfed due to…a single Russian blog post. Yes really. Only reverted after A LOT of work and only begrudgingly.
HESH being nerfed due to a single Russian source covering a single type of HEP shell of a totally different type/calibre IIRC. 105 HESH was on introduction actually capable of taking out a T-54 (like in real life).
M735 - logged as being incorrect but we’re about a year waiting so far…
Western manufacturer data in reports (even when confirmed by a second source) being dismissed as ‘marketing lies’ or ‘insufficient’. Those are actual words from the bug reporting peeps.
TOW-2B being nerfed due to questionable sources (guess what, they were Russian).
BOL flares being super nerfed.
Now, do you see an obvious pattern?
Russian vehicle is bugged = tends to make it more powerful.
Non-Russian vehicle is bugged = tends to make it worse.
In fact, I can’t remember the last time a Russian addition was ‘broken’ in a way that made it worse… feel free to provide us with examples. This, ladies and gentlemen is what we call a pattern of behaviour.
Call it what you like, but in British English - a distinct leaning and/or favouritism is called ‘BIAS.’
Here’s an extra one;
Why will (after the upcoming module refinement, coming with the pending update) a destroyed autoloader module not also disable the Turret drive, where the turret basket being damaged does?
Yes - good shout - forgot about that one.
Hmm… remind me - which nation would gain the most benefit from this totally random quirk? =)
I call it Cherry picking
Feel free to provide examples of USSR tech tree vehicles which have been bugged or broken and been objectively worse for it.
You just told that all that was was confirmation bias on your end…
So what?
Stingers have 0.5kg warheads. Planes often survive multiple direct hits from even bigger warheads with next to no damage to the plane and flight performance.
There have been multiple times where i directly hit a plane (even in the cockpit) with 155mm HE and it did not die, er one lucky hit on a Spitfire (IIRC) with arty strike, and you guessed it, the shell exploding 1-1.5m from the pilot did not kill it.
Or when an F8F casually took about 50-70 pieces of 76mm HE-VT from my SKR-7 and still was able to manouvre fine enough for about 3 kilometers to still bomb me…
None of those planes were russian btw.
Yeah, blunt nose APHE has better angle performance…
Just like NATO autoloaders.
And before that the Schanrhorst did that.
Same with US and german tech trees.
None of those were the best, certainly not the Pantsir.
NATO ammo being taken as gospel while it is proven that it does not exist khm khm L23.
Source?
So when ROMOR-A on a Chally lower plate eats DM53 from an L55 gun, does it mean UK bias?
Was it reported? Is that source declassified and also not export restricted?
Are their effectiveness being open to public?
Also you will aim for weak spots anyway, so they could literally just make every compotite/NERA 100x better and nothing would really change.
So what?
Source?
WOW a bug.
Also a counterexample is the Leo 2AV at release with the armor and weight…
Source?
Source?
Just like it can do it now. Learn to aim.
KV-85 top speed took 2 years to fix when it was about 10 km/h less.
P40 is bugged for about 2 years now that makes it even stronger, and they actively delete bug reports on it. Not closing the reports, deleting them.
So what?
Source?
You just cherrypicked 10-10 examples. If you would collect every single inaccuracy, and if those support your “pattern” then it would be something.
Tho that would still not prove bias, as it is just an observation.
And it seems that energy generation in Kosovo influences how many movies Will Smith appears in, or vice versa:
IS-2 still having an armor hole for 2-3 years or so…
Yes it is bias. Not russian bias, but confirmation bias on your end.
Because they are different things.
Why does a broken leg not cause the same effect as a headshot wound?
They were added because trash players cried that they dont get an insta kill when they make a bad shot. So they made the same area more voulnerable for both russian and (some) NATO tanks.
IS-2 as an example. Or the T-80 (light tank) had the wrong crew member assigned as loader causing it to have a longer reload than it should when it was on 2 crew. It was only recently fixed while it has been like that for years.
Su-27, Su-27SM, Su-25, IS-2(1944), MiG-29, R-73, R-77, BMP-1, BMP-3, Soviet 30mm autocannon belts, Yak-28B, T-80B, 2S6
M1 Abrams, Leopard 2K and T29 release versions trying to act natural in the corner: