Russian Bias in 2025?

Machinery of War Discussion
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Oh boy, here I go defending NATO again against disinformation. As a “Japan main” no less [I have all 10 tech trees completed in air, 6 in ground, and the final ones above 7.7 in ground.]

1- Damage models are universal standards, thus if it’s rigged that means all tanks are.
VIDAR and Centauro are Russian now because their spalling is identical to T-80BVM and always have been identical?
All tanks in War Thunder are Russian because their engines and fuel tanks absorb spalling and rounds?
2- I’d like to see proof “western sources” are wrong about K1, K5, and Relikt then. K1 is the worst ERA in War Thunder currently.
3- Physically impossible for gun stabs to over-perform. Tank biathlon footage proves they’re rather accurate.
4- Autoloaders don’t explode, which are mostly on non-Soviet tanks. Ammo explodes, which it always does since the bug fix years back.
5- T series barrel resistance is 7 rounds of default belt ammo out of BMP-2.
Abrams barrel resistance is 7 rounds of same ammo. It’s identical.
6- Don’t shoot the driver’s port? I’ve never aimed for it myself in any match. Especially when there are far larger weakspots on the turret and hull.
7- Anything small, which Abrams and T series aren’t small enough IMO.
8- T-90M has the smallest weakspots of the Soviet tech tree tanks, and that’s still larger weakspots than Leopard 2A5+.
T-80BVM and Abrams turret weakspots are physically the same size, even if Abrams non-weakspot turret area is physically larger.

T-44-100 not having a roof for months. Datamines saw that and everything.
Are you going to claim Merkava Mk4 LIC is Russian because its turret armor was duplicated?
Pantsir has never dominated in War Thunder. Easily the most avoidable post-12km SPAA.
RU helicopters dominated for exactly a few months around Spring 2020 before people caught on and they were nerfed into the ground.
Your precious Ka-52 has been getting clapped by ADATS and Crotale for half a decade now.
S-13s were removed from your precious Ka-50, and made a hilariously high SP requirement on Ka-52.

F-18A came in at an OP BR. The last time a Soviet aircraft did was the Mig-23MLD.
AGS and PT-76-57 both came in at stupidly low BRs because Gaijin didn’t know what their BRs should’ve been to begin with and players quickly found out how OP they both were, and both were quickly changed in BR.

Reality is far more nuanced than your conspiracy theories, Mr Jones.

And do not mistake my criticisms of Soviet/Russian equipment as anything other than.
If you think I am overly-criticizing such equipment, you are more than welcome to believe so and say so. Just do not accuse the criticism of being anything other than criticism.
And please do not invent fan-fiction about me; use that time for film or games instead.
I’m a tism American that loves machinery and uses way too much time investigating things that interest me.

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See as you said as a response…Not NATO got this thing first and dominated.
T-54 and Leopard 1 were very well matched
T-62 was great as the first tank at it’s BR with a dart Cheiftain was added much later.
T-64A was also very good with great fire power and decent armour it was slow though
T-64B was one of the best tanks in the game.

This is when it changed though and that is. Because Western designers changed how they were going to design tanks.
Russian tank design and ethos hasnt changed since the T-72
M1 is superior to the T-72B 89 it would have faced
as is Leopard 2 and Cr2
Since then the game has just been an arms race.
Leopard 2A5 vs T-80U, the T-72B3 and T-90A the T-90M
We have to say strictly speaking the failing isn’t Gaijin it is the Russian Mod.
T-90M Obr 23 will not solve the reverse speed issues
T-80BVM Obr 23 Will just be a T-80BVM with extra armour and different thermals.
T-14 was Russias chance and that isn’t going into service anytime soon.

So to compensate for that Gaijin just downgrades NATO rounds and armour while buffing Russian heavy ERA to maintain some form of “balance”

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APFSDS rounds are currently correct within margin of error.
Gaijin has not and will never sway from the Lanz Odermatt formula, because fairness matters more than balancing like World of Tanks.

Soviet ERA has never been buffed [K1 was corrected AKA nerfed at some point], and NATO armor has only ever been modeled based on known information. Armor has never been nerfed based on no documentation either.

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Well, you don’t seem to be bright enough to realise i was obviously talking about ground battles. But the XP-50 no longer gets airspawns, the XP-55 isn’t that great, the A-10 is just as busted as the Su-25s and i avoid high tier air because it’s just a boring missile fest.

you think the M8LAC is broken?

M22 is not broken at all, it’s armament sucks and it can be .50.

M4 105 isn’t broken, all it has is a high HEAT pen. the post pen damage is garbage, the ballistics terrible and the reload long. it’s only strong in a downtier.

the M4A1 is below average in strength. it’s armour is awful, it’s mobility sub-par and it’s armament mediocre.

T-18e2 is super rare, not a premium and isn’t that strong. it’s biggest strength is that people don’t know what it is.

the t14 is great in a downtier, but it’s armament is awful and it has it’s big hull MG weakspot for anyone that knows what they’re doing and doesn’t get fucked by desync.

the t55e1 is bad, it can be killed by and MG, it’s gun handling and firing ark are shit and the gun itself isn’t that special at 4.3.

the t-29 has a long reload and will face tiger 2s every match, which are far better than it and a lower BR.

the T26e5 is great in a downtier, it’s weakspots are poorly defined. but it’s armament is really bad, it can’t pen tiger 2s from the front despite being the same BR. honestly, the E1-1 is better.

the T114 isn’t good. it has no armour, it’s not fast and it has poor gun handling and it’s only good round is HEAT which sucks.

the MBT70 is german, not american. along with the XM803, their rounds aren’t great, thier armour can be a bit trolly but isn’t great overall. really the main strength is it’s acceleration, but their top speed isn’t great.

The M1A1s aren’t anything special, the armour is still way worse than it should be. mostly they’re just a bit faster than their contemporaries with less protection.

Not sure what you’re talking about with the “P49/39” perhaps a wrong name.

the XP-55 is kind of niche onnly really being able to powerfight and without ordenance and is also rare.

the XP-50 is pretty average now without it’s airspawn.

IMO the F4Us are below average fighters and CAS compared to their contemporaries. they handle like ass, .50s are pretty shitty armaments. the only really good one is the AU-1, which gets cannons and loads of bombs.

the A-1H, like the AM-1 and AD series are decent cas, but are slow and handle poorly. you’re much better off taking out an F8F, which is far strong than any of your attempt at pointing out broken vehicles.

the F-89’s have insane climb, but their handling isn’t great. the rocket one can be a bit of a meme. it’s main claim to fame was being the same BR as the Su-11 but being much worse before they upped the Su-11.

The F86’s are not op at all. their handling isn’t anything special, their armament sucks, either being .50s or 20mm with almost no ammo. they’re very mediocre. the CL-13 B Mk.6 is the best version, but still suffers from the shit armament.

I don’t get what you’re trying to do. you start out like you’re presenting a list of OP vehicles, but none of the vehicles you list are OP.

Oh wow, how clever of you. Yes, i do well, that has no bearinng on how incredibly biased gaijin are to USSR vehicles or how horrendous they are at balancing. i haven’t really used the t-34-57 for years, it used to be my daily grind for a long time, br changes fucked the lineup and i got bored with it moved on to other nations as i had also finished the USSR tree.

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NATO armour relies on composites (NERA) and NERAs value is less than rubber in game.
Tanks that use NERA arrays often have the worst armour M1 as an example it’s composites are poorly modelled you can go through the turret face.

CR2 add on blocks for OES and TES and front plate do not offer the minimum protection values they were designed to.
Ariete ROMOR is the exact same.

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Never going to have a proper convo with a nafo shill that just makes up things in his mind and thinks about puccia 24/7 and has a personal crusade against them.

Ya bro gaijin is sneaking russian bias in via backend code.

Completely normal unhinged take lol

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The 20+ Tiger 2s getting ammo racked from being front penned by my T26E5… Or was it M304 in general?
Dude’s dismissing their trauma. M304 is a cracked round.

And of course Russian bias has never existed and will never exist.

My only issues with your present post.

He should’ve mentioned F-18A, P51H5NA, F-15Cs when they had same weapons as F-15E, and the standard M1A1 being 0.7 BR below Leclerc despite being almost identical in overall performance at the minimum.

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The T-64B was never one of the best tanks in game. M1 and Leopard 2K beat it by a landslide when they released at the same time.

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What is this video even supposed to mean? I never contended that in good hands you can’t do well in an M1, its that the average player can’t utilize the advantages to anywhere near the same capacity to actually make them a useful team member.

Is it at all worth pointing out that over the entire video there are arguably less than four engagements where his opponent is even looking in his direction, let alone where they present the front of the hull to the threat , it is fairly obvious this guy at very least has extensive map knowledge, and happened to roll a team that game that supports his use of it that round.

let alone the fact that the marquee player here is obviously exceptionally skilled, and that we’re presented with “curated” gameplay of a selection of his better rounds.

Better shells improve the Skill Floor, which is far more important for the average player. And it’s not like improved penetration would matter all that much for the side or rear shots in the video. And it’s not like M833 is that significant an improvement over M774.

The 5 second reload is obviously useful all of one time where he gets pushed from two angles at once. The poor penetration similarly gets him killed that same game(and is it really fair to count kills post backup employment, or IFV/ SPAA against the kill total as that inflates things on their face and most if not all MBTs would be similarly capable in that regard).

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Heh, your memory’s good.
Same update:
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Leopard 2AV7 wasn’t the solution for nothing, in my opinion a problem to be solved, T-80BVM does have its counterpart which is the Leopard 2A6, which the T-90M is the best counterparts to the Leopard 2A7V although losing in mobility and firepower, but armor is somewhat good for both sides.

HSTV-L is by far the best autocannon in-game, 2S38 is far back behind. If firerate is only the defying factor, Freccia and Type 87 RCV should be one of the best autocannons in-game then as they have far superior firerate and this is the only factor the 2S38 is better than HSTV-L; however mobility, armor, gun handling is all in HSTV-L.

I can’t say much about IRIS-T SLM when you compare it to Pantsir-S1, they’re definitely good vehicles but works differently. Ka-50 is the dumb player toy, Ka-52 isnt the Meta anymore, while you can find some vehicles in the Soviet tech tree that could easily surpass Ka-52 either in aspects, weapons and battle rating: Mi-28N.

I consider the Tiger HAD Block 2 better because it needs little engagement, if you want to actively engage targets, Z-10ME which is far superior than Ka-52 in this regard is your best option. DIRCM as I said as most people said, it’s a feature in-game, Gaijin didn’t make vehicles stronger on purpose but fixed this feature.

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Sorry but the T18E2 is a premium.

If someone can’t utilize the advantages of the Abrams in any decent capacity then they have bigger problems in game lol.

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Have you seen the quality of the average player? A good one will do ok in almost anything, but a bad one won’t even be able to conceptualize what they are doing doesn’t work with advantages of the vehicle.

I wouldn’t be surprised if APCR and GLATGMs were some of the most common rounds fired be some people simply due to big number best.

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Careful now, if you defend German and American equipment that much people will claim your defense of them is in reality defending Russia rather than address your points on their merit.

Ammo and mobility are the biggest things in HSTVL’s favor. The mobility difference is like comparing M18 to Panther mobility I think.

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Average player is totally can utilize the advantages of 10.7 abrams. At least most of them.

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I’m definitely trying not to defend one side of the discussion. Although as I said earlier, this whole Russian bias discussion is fruitless when there are no data or concrete information to back it up, reason why I’m not active (consistently) in discussions like these when is mostly composed of rant, offensive replies and little good discussion.

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Still remeber update they added Leopard 2K on same br with T-62 german mains got really fun week that time.

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I’m sorry, but I can’t take anything you say seriously after this.

This is a level of re-writing history to a degree that I rarely see.

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Holy Skill Issue Batman.

What am I even reading?!

It’s ‘‘only’’ one of the strongest MBT’s relative to it’s BR in the entire game.

[Citation Needed]

Please don’t tell me you include the F4U-1A, please don’t tell me you include the F4U-1A, please don’t tell me you include the F4U-1A …

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Asking for M833 and/or M900 for the best performing 10.7 MBT is silly.

Maybe you can’t, but the general playerbase does just fine with it.

It’s almost as if the M1 has absolutely incredible mobility.

Which is why the M1 Abrams is sitting on a higher K/D, higher K/M and higher winrate than both the T-80B and Leopard 2A4, right?