Before this change, the T-80BVM was the only really behind the Abrams and the L2A7V/122s.
Now, the whole T-80 series (except the T-80B) will be easily behind just the top Abrams and Leos, the only considerable nuance will be their reverse speed, which the T-80BVM will still be the first immediate competitor to those MBTs, even with 3BM60.
So yeah, that’s downplaying an entire tank series.
And please, just stop with this oversimplification. You’re better than this.
I mean the bvm buff was not that large at the end of the day, afterall the apfsds keeps more or less the same reload which is the round that it is used the most
On Ace-Crew are the us faster and the rest have 4,5 or 6 sec. Autoloader
I mean before the change you could make a case to put the Leclercs or maybe the type 10s above the BVM, but you would need to make it a really good argument.
Now after the change? Yeah I agree. It’s still possible to make that argument, just very very hard.
While we’re at this. People need to stop trashing on the T-90M, as well. All these tanks are fine.
Anyway, i know you guys are always harping on about major nations. But I think the most interesting change is the VT4A1 and ZTZ99A now has 6.66 reload, while the WZ1001(E) LCT has been left in the dust at 7 seconds. The little bit extra pen you get with the L/54 hardly seems worth it now.
This wouldn’t be a problem if Realistic had mixed battles as a common basis. However, Russia barely ever faces itself, leading to lolpen literally any other NATO hull besides the 2A7/122s improved glacis. That’s why this buff may not be a huge thing, but its another step on meta shifting.
Now Russia not only has the best plane-launched AGM, among the best heli AGMs, and the best ERA packages, now it also has a standardized competitive reload rate to an entire tank series which already lolpens NATO hulls.
Oh, so they’re gonna make the reload 10+ seconds for swapping ammo type to reflect the carousel needing to rotate to the new shell type too then?
No, only the buff?
I’m truly shocked
I will never understand how people constantly talk down on the BVM, even making the argument that the Leclercs are better than the BVM, a tank that can be penned by almost everything everywhere, compared to a tank that has some of the best armor in the game…
nvm
It’s not necessarily meant as bashing on the T-80BVM. It’s just that highly mobile MBTs with good gun depression and a 5 second reload will always be incredibly strong in the hands of good players.
-0.1s for 3bm60 on bvm - 6.4s
-0.1s for t90m - 7.0s
It’s not like it’s changing much for USSR top tier tanks. More like bonus for pre-top tanks (< 12.0)
My humble bet is that it’s a bug and it’ll be fixed. it makes no sense to do a blog to announce an improvement only to be apply such buff for weaker rounds.
Also, notice how the T-80BVM is the only T-80 w/3BM60, yet the round shares the same reload buff time as the T-72/T-90 series, reinforcing the bug theory.
The issues is that war thunder doesnt model the ammo placement, so the next round that you load can literally be anything, and for a 10+seconds you would need to pass over quite a few rounds
It’s was confirmed on ru forum that it’s not a bug. Probably due increased length of 3bm60. T-72/90 series have different autoloader.
Interesting, to say the least.
Though I’ll keep some skepticism stored. Nothing personal, by the way. It’s just that I have an idea of how Gaijin ends up working, and sometimes they tweak numbers even after officials say anything.
if true, actually useless patch that changes nothing at all
I wouldn’t call it useless, the lower brs did get a sustancial buff, specially the t64s, and t80b that got over a second reduced.
Perhaps not, but it wouldn’t be hard to implement a longer reload when switching to a new shell type and even the Soviet manual they linked said that every two cassettes that are passed adds ~1s to the reload time
If only you cared as much about revision of Rate of Fire of Naval cannons…
Look for once at Littorio class.
the only tanks that actually got buffed from this is t64a, t80U and whole lot of premium\squadron\event t80us (1 t80u in TT and 5 paid)
t80B is 7sec so not a second but 0.1
literally worthless update if you are not giga delux premium gamer that plays 11.7