Responding to Feedback on the Planned Battle Rating Changes April 2025

[maguumo]

@Morvran

Then the Typhoon has the weakest of all the WVR IR Missiles. Aim-9M is pretty poor in anything other than nice clean rear-aspect shots

The 9M is the weakest IR missile if you see it coming. Which is pretty hard on a smokeless missile in a mode that doesn’t show a missile diamond.

@Morvran

Because if a weapon system can destroy half the enemy team in the hands of even the worst player, then clearly it is OP beyond measure. If the other requires a lot of skill and practice to employ even half as well. Then clearly its underperforming.

But you find doing that wrong for the Type 81. That’s the disconnect I’m pointing out.

@Morvran

Just because I’ve beaten Mig-29s in the Tornado GR1 in a gunfight doesnt mean the Tornado GR1 is equal to the Mig-29. Same logic applies here. Just because the Typhoon can get kills with Brimstones, doesnt mean they are even slightly equal to a Su-30 firing off KH-38MTs. Ive seen people do extremely well with the Tornado ASSTA1 does that mean the Tornado ASSTA1 is equal to the Su-30SM?

That is not a valid comparison. The MiG 29 should win that engagment every time if both pilots are equally capable. The Typhoon with Brimstones is picked over the Su-30SM3 in a mode that chases meta hard and matches you against skilled players, because it provides better results there.

[Mobius_Einherjar]

@AlvisWisla

The AMX-40 is slightly more mobile than the Leopard 2A4, fires a similar round, has a similar thermal solution… the difference is the AMX-40 has “no turret armor”.
Yet they are 1 BR apart.

The 2A4 also has significantly better sights, gun handling and reload which makes a significant difference.

@AlvisWisla

The fact AMX-40 has dodged getting uptiered for so long is outright impressive, it shouldn’t be the same BR as the no-thermal Leopard 2K.

The 2K also has a sight and gun handling advantage as well as an autocannon that can handle air targets much better. AMX-40 might’ve thermals, but being limited to a 10x fixed sight is painful.

And none of this addresses what I said about the TURMS and UD. I don’t think the 2K should be only 0.3 lower than those either.

[Morvran]

@maguumo

But you find doing that wrong for the Type 81. That’s the disconnect I’m pointing out.

Except, the point is, the Type 81 is only half good in a very specific use case.

At 10.7 sure it would be very strong, but its not that good when compared to most other top tier SPAA, certainly not the ones at 12.0.

Quite frankly, the ADATS and Type 81 are hardly worthy of being much higher than the 11.3 when compared to SPAA like the FlakRad and defiently should be more than 0.3 BR away from the Pantsir.

Heck the Chinese SPAA are 11.0 and 11.3 respectively and Id consider both stronger than the ADATS and Type 81 which are 11.7 now. Just seems insane to me.

[Pheonix_RX01]

So standard hard to balance heavy syndrome? Its probably for the best

[MotorolaCRO]

I think they are still pretty dangerous in GRB for already said reasons. Planes without MAWs won’t even know they are being targeted, so avoiding them becomes a big problem.

[UniqueScorpions-live]

Then why is the T29 still 7.0? T34 still 6.7? Both are very potent.

Now the only redeeming quality, the armor, is useless. 4.3 / 4.7 and up all have decent armor and guns

Making the heavy feel like a light.

It needs a new shell now

[Pheonix_RX01]

Probably because Heatfs cleans through them, dont get me wrong the T29 and T34 are some of the most braindead vehicles ive had the pleasure of playing but they don’t have the ability to fight new players nearly as much as the KV-1’s which is why they went up in BR. Larger pool of new players that have no idea where to shoot, 6.7 has a lot more forgiving ammos on tanks that let you just shoot wherever.

This isn’t exclusive to the KV-1E or B it just happens because we have a ton of compression. I mean the T34 1941 got put to 4.0 where it meets the uparmored T34E which is just better lol.

T14s are in the same boat. They are scary in downtiers and food in ontier and uptiers, same with the 4.7 KV’s and the maus and the poor IS3

[AlvisWisla]

APHE and reload.

[ELFENSJóN]

good.

[UniqueScorpions-live]

T29 has APHE, and the reload…?

[Daffan]

I still can’t believe the amx 13 hot is 8.3 or whatever roflmao. It’s just a normal AMX 13 which is now 7.0.

Namer 30 at 11.0 is meme. All these Spike tanks are 10.3 at best no matter the faction.

[AlvisWisla]

Yes. 177 grams filler and 16.3 second stock reload.
Vs solid shot and 19.4 of T34.

[UniqueScorpions-live]

At this point I’d much rather play the T14…

They have the best of all worlds pretty much.

The Pz. 4 is a 3.7 with 145mm pen? And once you unlock the armor it’s really really good.

I just don’t get why SOVIET heavy tanks cannot be heavy tanks.

There’s plenty of superb 5.7, 6.3, and 6.7 heavies for other nations.

IS-2s are hit or miss. Usually reload gets you killed.
IS-3 armor became useless thanks to heat-fs
Same thing for the IS-4
T-10A same thing….

IS-6 once upon a time was good, but got nerfed into a black hole of Heat FS, and stabilizers.

There’s a trend of bad heavy tanks.
T-10M is okay.
KV-1E / Zis-5 were the only real good ones.

Zis-5 got uptiered wayyy too high.
1E is now following the trend of being uptiered to the point it’s useless.

Like there is no reason to NOT just take a T-34, better gun, better speed, better armor slopes, slightly worse reload. Only con is worse turret armor.

[UniqueScorpions-live]

19.4 with a very very good AP round.

The IS2/3/4 all have 19.8 aced if I recall.

[Thodin]

The KV-1E BR bump is justified, but the KV-1B should have remained at 4.0.

[Circleati]

Theyre functionally the same thing

[AlvisWisla]

280mm solid shot is worse than 250mm APCBC with filler.

[Thodin]

Yes, but they face different enemy vehicles. KV-1E is steamrolling Panzer IV box tank teams with impunity. Its cannon is perfectly op vs these.

But the KV-1B is underwhelming, cause it mainly faces T-34 models and other KV-1’s.

[CleanupOnIL-2]

It also doesn’t face the one group of tanks that can reliably pen it without needing to do too much weakspot hunting

[Pheonix_RX01]

This is actually the worst take ever, the KV-1B has less opponents with 145mm pen than the KV-1E. I love the Panzer IV but to ignore the KV-1B not having to deal with them nearly as much as the KV-1E is you holding on to your love for an op vehicle.