That thankfully has been fixed.
So change that for why the J34 (a Hunter F4) is a higher BR than the Hunter F6 (france) in SB.
Its confusing as hell
But yeah, common sense seems to have little place in BR decisions
I was responding to someone saying the P-47D-28 should be kept at 5.0
The Kv-1E/B are atleast going to the BR they belong, and the Yak is going up too, just not enough.
I still think the best solution is to just remove the APHE from the 45mms, it’s unbalanced and questionably realistic.
Why on earth are you blaming a group you made up?
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thank god it still climbs like a rocket so it’ll still end up above most things
Really nice to see OFL G2 on the Vextra. Many people are dragging it up to top tier anyways since France has no other light tank, it will make it much more useful for that. Far better than keeping it at 9.7 without a lineup with the old shell.
The Type 81 does well because the average top tier pilot has about one and a half braincells. The same thing stops SPAAs like the Pantsir, Tor or ItO from performing statistically as well as they should, you can actually use those wrong/badly, which many people do. It’s obvious which one should be better in the hands of a capable player, but Gaijin balances by the stats achieved by everyone.
I find it somewhat surprising that you seem to think that these vehicles should be balanced by their actual ability instead of achieved match performance, while at the same time calling the current version of the Brimstone underperforming garbage with the reasoning that making it work well requires a bit of effort.
Literally has mopre post pen than 120 and 130mm AP shells and compareable overall damage to the tiger II APHE just more directional.
To be fair, there is no BR where it is not OP or useless. It is one or the other.
in fact I say the strongest BR for the thing is 7.3 as you meet the least SPAA, the least amount of counter CAS and you can kill essentially everything you meet except for a few german vehicles like the Maus.
At 7.7 you meet radar SPAA at 8.0 CAS is back again and 8.3 is just over as every match will have the CAS counter and SPAAs countering you.
And any BR below those is either a free match or an insta dead against 400 enemy planes.
They should just remove the APHE. I mean, has anyone finally found any source even mentioning such a shell existing for that cannon? Or even being considered?
That is next to impossible to happen unless Gaijin balances exclusively along the K/D, which is an almost useless stat when it comes to vehicle balance as my 3K/D in the Conq proves. Just because I would rather end a match with 0 kills than to die does not mean that the Conq is suddenly a good vehicle.
I mean we already know that Gaijin refuses to change BRs unless a certain amount of data has been gathered, so the “a minority could change it” is literally impossible as per Gaijins own rules on balancing. You know, because that minority would need to literally play tens of thousands of games to make a difference.
Almost every other similar game has open stats either via the publisher or third parties getting access via the publisher and that has never been an issue. You are worrying about a nothing burger that is stacked with exclusively arguments against your imaginative scenarios.
The general playerbase is trusing with balanceing? Mate you are in this threat. Can you read? Go to reddit and see what the response is there.
Almost no one trusts gaijins balancing. It is the worst i have ever seen in any game
And that feedback got only like 5 hearts with other at almost 20
I mean not that I mind, as I was the one to bring it up, but I guess ODDz video had better timing
so they can see what changes people want and make sure most of them will never be implemented :D
BR they belong? Questionable, as they ought to go to 4.7 the way I see it.
As for removing the APHE that would be satisfactory since there is yet to find documents that actually state the Yaks even had such rounds loaded.
Group I made up? Not at all. Which nation benefits the most from the Type 81C getting uptiered again? Russia, that’s who. Why? Because it saves their lower end Frogfoots from getting slapped out of the sky - Which was why the Type 81C got uptiered originally. Best vehicle to slap down the Frogfoot spam because at the time the Stingers were still useless because the Frogfoot’s survivability was grossly overperforming. Now it’s getting uptiered again because it was still slapping them out of the sky.
Now it will be at a BR where it consistently gets to do nothing but sit there and eat AGMs from Helis and Su series and everything else that it can’t detect, let alone even hope to touch.
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I fired 4x Brismtones at a Pantsir in a GSB match yesterday and all 4 were shot down long before they even got close and I was forced into an extremely defensive posture. the enemy team had 3 active Pantsirs in total and the low cloud coverage prevented me from going high. I spent 15 minutes just staying at 25km distance from the map to avoid the enemy SPAA cover and just surpress any enemy fighters or helis the best I could from long range.
If there had been a Type 81, it would have died within the first 10 seconds with a single Brimstone and next to no effort from myself.
That is a simple fact. A Type 81 is hardly more of a threat than a Strela is at top tier and yet the Stela is not 11.7.
Given the sheer overwhelming performance of the KH-38MT and even the AASM, calling for the Typhoon to get the Brimstone variant IT ACTUALLY USED, even in a massively nerfed state of being limited to SAL-only i dont think is unreasonable. I know soviet mains are bad at the game and need fake weapons like the KH-38MT to do anything, but that is just a major skill issue. If you think an Su-30SM firing 6x KH-38MTs at a ADATS is equal to a Typhoon firing SAL-Only Brismtone 1s at Pantsir is the same then I deeply question your comprehension of what balance even is.
Because players being bad with an OP vehicle or weapon system doesnt stop it being OP, especially when in the hands of anyone with half a brain cell. Balancing ONLY via player stats is stupid and results in more problems than it resolves
like for example just because people bought the Tornado WTD61 and brainlessly fly down the centre of the map towards bases and get killed by anything and everything because they have no idea what they are doing doesnt mean the WTD61 is worse than the Tornado GR1 flown by someone who actually knows how to defend and how to use the aircraft, despite the fact that objectively speaking, the Tornado GR1 is actually the weaker of the 2 (it is, has weaker engines) and so should be the higher BR because player stats says it should be better.
You can also see this within SB with the J34 (9.3) vs (French) Hunter F6 (9.0). The Hunter F6 is superior in every respect to the J34 with both a better engine and a different wing design that improves the FM greatly. There is under no circumstance a reason objectively for the Hunter F6 to be a lower BR than the J34 other than the fact the players in the J34 are simply better than the players flying the Hunter F6.
TLDR, Balancing by Player stats alone is a stupid way to do it. Take the Type 81. just because Japanese Mains are actually good and soviet players are bad, doesnt mean the Type 81 is vastly superior to the Pantsir.
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Uhm because! Don’t question it.
Same BR the A-5C was with 2 Magic 1’s after the decompression btw. This BR change is showing just how out of touch they’ve really become with the game. It’s been bad in the past but never have I seen so many feedbacks blatantly ignored.
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Not just higher than the Tor-M1, higher than the HQ17 as well, which has the second longest range missiles out of any SPAA in the game :D
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all LF.9s should ideally go to 6.0 providing other aircraft (Yak-3U, Yak-3 (VK-107), P-51H, etc) get their BRs changed too
I know its good, but I hope not. 5.7 is a sweet spot where it avoids being dragged up into the hellscape that is early jets.
I largely dont touch 6.0+ for largely that reason.
They’re objectively worse than almost every 4.7, and are terrible against any 5.0, such as the Kv-85 or VK.3002. I’ve played the E and it’s OP at 4.0, but it will be useless at 4.7.
All nations benefit from that except Japan. Less SPAA=More cas dominance, and Russia isn’t the nation that has the best CAS at all BRs. In fact the US 10.3 lineup benefits a lot from this, because one of it’s CAS aircraft (the A-7D) will no longer face the Type 81.
That can be said about any 10.3 CAS. Also, the Su-25, and Su-25K were already not in the range of it because they are 10.0. The Su-25T is 11.3, and will still continue to face it.
That’s not true, because it is able to kill more than just the frogfoots it couldn’t even face previously.
I still think it’s a weird change, but don’t blame it on Russian bias. There are other objectively bad changes too, and none of them benefits Russia. Blame Gaijin for being incompetent and relying too much on statistics, instead of blaming players who aren’t really a large group.
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Japan players beg for an SPAA to fill the gap for years
Finally get the Type 81C to use over the Type 93 especially with the 11.0 lineup
Gets moved to 11.3 and sits there with no lineup until a decompression literally months later
Decompression happens, has lineup again and all is well with it at 11.3
Gaijin moves it to 11.7
Great company
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I am well aware that LF IX is good.
What I meant was
- In the Gaijin world, which P-47D-28/D-30 has a different BR, and B-26B/C had a different BR before
- Maybe if LF IX gets BR adjustment, Spitfire outside US TT gets nerf, while inside US TT one gets further buff.
in a joke level.
Because Gaijin is clueless for their balancing :/
Those things actually get in range of your Type 81C? Damn, that’s crazy. I can’t even hope to touch them in mine. Between being outranged and broken Optical there’s nothing to do but die.
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Yeah KH-38MTs have to be used within 4km. didnt you know that? They definetly dont have super long range abilities. Just sounds like a skill issue :P
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I vehemently oppose this. There is already enough blufor bias in many BR brackets of many game modes (not all)
I don’t want guys whose worldview and primary education comes from the History Channel and other slop to vote on BRs.
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