Responding to Feedback on the Planned Battle Rating Changes April 2025

[TAkeDOwn]

Why would you up the AMX and especially the AMX A1A in Ground? They are useless in AirRB and feature rather poor flight performance. The AMX A1A is now completely obsolete due to it sharing the same BR with a Tornado with Paveways.

[End3rBigSergal]

Type 81 at 11.7 is crazy. Your so called “statistics” are whacko. It’s only good against high flying threats. Once the target decides to sniff the ground even a little bit, it becomes useless

[HunLepto]

I liked the VEXTRA beforehand aswell and while it did take me a while to spade it, its performance didn’t dissappoint me aside from the gun. But the improved shell definitely will be a huge buff for it, because it really struggled in frontal penetrations.

[MonolithSF]

Streal-10 is still outclassed by both 2S6 which is only 0.4 higer and OSA-AKM at same BR with Streal-10 being worse in almost ever way, i would sugest lowering Strela-10 to 10.0 so it doesn’t have to face planes with weapon range past 10km which it has not chance to enage or at least giving it its pasive radar 9S16 Flat Box-B which is modeled on vehicle in game

[xSHiZZY]

Its actually cringe to not move it up in both. The PZH2k is waaaay under BR. Seen it up in 10.0+ still doing numbers. Needs to be 8.3 minimum for GRB imho.

[ZE4L0T]

They could move the rest of the lineup to 11.7 too for the same reason given for the TKX.

[Demokrat4]

Why did you raise the BR of the F-4 Phantom II? It already spent most of its battles against the Pantsir, and now it will 100% hit it, and what should it do with it? But you did not touch the Pantsir S1 that you were asked about. Why is the Pantsir S1 at 12.0? It is several times more powerful than any SAM, what is the balance? Why should a Phantom from the 60s fight against a SAM from 2012?

[LeSoleilRoyal]

You mean the tank we see once a year because only 50 people have it ?

[LeSoleilRoyal]

I know that feeling, but this time two of my (well for sure i wasnt the only one but) feedback were considered and changed (the new shell for vextra and the new shell for the EBR), so don’t lose hope and keep asking for change !

[MotorolaCRO]

@MokaMoki

No they didn’t.

Yes they did.
People want a light vehicle for France that can be used in top tier and now, with a better round, it surely will be much better.

@Morvran

If this was even slightly true, then the Pantsir would have also been moved in BR to 12.7 or maybe 13.0.

@Morvran
The problem is, we don’t have 12.7 nor 13.0 for ground vehicles.

[vizender]

For the VEXTRA specifically, it should be a bit better yeah. For the AMX 30 and 32, the muzzle velocity is higher, and penetration is apparently around 470 with those guns using the G2, and more than 500 with the F2

[MrBombastic8]

im grinding for the F-4E but now im sad

[nuo_nuo]

I think tkx(p) should up to 12.0 with type 10 apfsds. Because 11.7br is too close to 12.0 but jm33 is so far away from any top apfsds. Tkxp have all same equipments but apfsds as type 10

[WalletWorrier]

Are y’all ever going to address decompression? We’ve not only not seen decompression of jets but actually the undoing of previous decompression moves!

[maxidaxy_ネコ]

What an L change

[HakaiTheHunter]

It doesn’t even seem like they said they were going to start listening to what the community wanted, once again they are going back to being the way they were before.

roadmap with changes became a reminder of dark times

[maxidaxy_ネコ]

@Stona_WT

second seeker mode

Which rarely works

[WalletWorrier]

Specifically and just looking at Rank VIII (though Ranks V, VI, and VII have also gotten a lot more compressed in the last year)

Once again we’re back at decompression discussion. As usual, we’ll be looking at all top tier (Rank VIII) aircraft and their ARB BRs. Yes, I agree there are many other aircraft that need decompressed or just BR changes in general. I have to restrict myself to jsut Rank VIII or else I’d end up changing the BR of nearly every aircraft!
For TL,DR: main decompression points at current 13.0, 13.7, 14.0

11.3

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Tornado IDS MFG
Tornado GR.1, Tornado IDS ASSTA.1, Tornado IDS 1995
Tornado MLU RET.8- unless it receives better missiles which has been stated as a possibility

11.7

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Su-25SM3

12.0

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Kurnass 2000

12.3

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Tornado ADV, Tornado F3
F-4EJ KAI
JA-37D
Harrier GR.7
JF-7A
MiG-21 Bison
Tornado GR.4
Mirage 2000D-R1

12.7

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F-16A
F-20A
Mirage 2000C-S4
F-14A
Netz, Netz
Mirage 2000D-RMV

13.0

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F-16A ADF, ADF, MLU, AJ
MiG-29 9.12A,B, 9.13
Yak-141

13.3

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AV-8B plus, AV-8B Plus, FA.2
MiG-29G
F/A-18A, C Early
F-14A IRAIF, F-14B
F-16A (FR)
JA-37DI, DI
Kfir C.10

13.7

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Tornado F.3 Late
F-4F ICE
J-8F
F-15A, J, Baz
Su-27, J-11, Su-33
Mirage 4000
JAS-39A

14.0

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JF-17
F-16D Barak II
MiG-29SMT

14.3

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Su-34
J-11A
JAS-39C, C, C, C HU
F-16AM, OCU, C, C Barak II
Mirage 2000-5F, 5Ei

14.7

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J-10A
F-15C, J(M), Baz M
Su-27SM
J-11B
F/A-18C, C

15.0

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EF-2000, F-2000A, FGR.4
F-15E,I
Rafale
Su-30SM

Bonus: armament changes

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These are optional loadout changes that could be done to further balance aircraft more effectively. Each bullet point is a group of aircraft that would need changed as a group to remain balanced relative to each other while the group is adjust relative to aircraft outside the group.

• Netz, Netz: remove ahistorical Python 3, to 12.7
  More historical while maintaining balance
• F-16A: add AIM-9M, to 13.3
  Netz, Netz: remove Python 3, add AIM-9M, to 13.3
  F-16 ADF (US): add AIM-9M, to 13.7
  F-16 ADF (IT), MLU: add AIM-120B, AIM-9M, to 14.3
  More historical particularly for the ADF and MLU, while maintaining balance. Moves 4th gen airframes away from 3rd gens while keeping performance via armament.
• MiG-29 9.12A,B,G, 9.13: add R-73, remove R-27ER/ET, to 13.3
  Much needed historical change plus better balancing for 29G.
• Yak-141: add R-73, R-77, to 13.7
  Historical change of intended weaponry
• MiG-21 Bison: add R-77, to 13.7
  Historical change
• J-8F: add PL-8B, to 13.7
  Historical change and slight buff but not huge
• F/A-18C: add AIM-120C-4, to 15.0
  Solidifies F/A-18C as BVR missile truck, without overly powerful AIM-120C-5s or later
  *F/A-18A add AIM-7P, AIM-9M, to 13.7
  F/A-18C Early add AIM-9M, to 13.7
  Historical additions and good buff

Closing notes
As usual, I will explain but not defend my decisions. That is, I’ll answer questions for why vehicles were placed where they were but will not engage further. I simply don’t have the time nor energy to argue around in circles with every single person who disagrees.
Yes, there are BR overlaps between rank VIII and VII, and Rank VII vehicles that need rebalancing. But I’ve decided to set a hard line at Rank VIII, because otherwise I’d end up rebalancing almost every vehicle in the game!
New missiles: there’s as always been discussions of “x new missile should be added now”, from the classic demands of AIM-120C-5 and Python 4s, to quieter calls for R-74M and AIM-9X, to newcomers in R-37M an PL-10. And as always people are grossly underestimating the capabilities of such missiles. That’s all I have to say about that.
Aircraft don’t all fly the same. This has two really important effects to remember- not every aircraft can use the same playstyle and not every aircraft can be the best of the BR. Remember these two factors before asking for a lower BR because x plane can’t do y as good as z plane can. Look at the aircraft holistically and used in its best role when considering balance.
Finally, remember, if you think there’s a balancing issue, aim upwards and not downwards. This is about decompression and not compression after all!

[Demokrat4]

I flew it recently and every time I hit the Pantsir. Just no chance.

[绯莎]

Criticial time to remove gaijin’s snail inspired by Kobayashi Issa’s haiku and replace gaijin’s hiragana company name.just let them destroy this tech tree thoroughly to stop japan players suffering.