Responding To Dev Server Feedback Regarding Turret Baskets

[MokaMoki]

And this doesnt. It’s an unnecessary nerf. Full stop.

[huguberhart]

Thank you for the feedback @Smin1080p_WT Much appreciated…

There is nothing bad in complains (of course best, if such complains provide some constructive arguments), but please:

• read the article before you post
• please do not swear

lol

[Hartsy1]

There’s plenty of light vehicles that should’ve had it modelled first that’s true.

[AlvisWisla]

People didn’t vote against the damage models, they voted against an x-ray that was incorrectly called a damage model.

IRL rewards poorly aimed shots; as I’ve been saying for years at this point, realistic battles should force the gunner optics in battle instead of allowing barrel aiming.

This would end ALL pixel shooting instantly and make ALL vehicles more survivable.

Why does Ka-50 getting its modules mean anything?
And why does NATO tanks getting their modules after Soviets mean anything?

[Smin1080p_WT]

@kedrigern

If you want to release this new feature, then why in gods name would you do it in parts instead of all at once

Please read the article in full. It’s explained in detail:

@Smin1080p_WT

Why they can’t all come at once

As mentioned quite a while ago , implementing new modules takes a lot of time. Whenever there is a change to a vehicle, modules like this are also affected in some way and need to be updated. The issue we’d face here if we modelled them and then left them aside while working on other baskets, is that when the time would come to add everything there would likely be significant changes to the vehicles. This would require additional time to make the modules work again, as they’d be months out of date (this is also why regularly a vehicle will receive several changes in one go). As vehicles are updated frequently it is not feasible to ‘park’ features like this for very long.

[MokaMoki]

@kedrigern

And additionally what is the point of feedback for the dev server when the devs end up doing it anyway. At that point why even bother setting up a feedback category for the forums.

CMs aren’t here to collect feedback nor do they (or devs) listen to it. That much has been proven over the last couple of years.

[rainy2000]

@kedrigern

If you want to release this new feature, then why in gods name would you do it in parts instead of all at once where no additional tanks get any advantage. Right now you have artificially nerfed two tank families across 5 nations (Germany, USA, Sweden, France (NL) and Italy (HU)) for no particular reason.

To be fair, the 2A7s / 122s needed a nerf in some way.
They are definitely still the best MBTs at top tier at the moment, and probably will still be with these changes.
But I agree that it should come out all at once, instead of nerfing just the Abrams and Leos (especially the 2A5 / 2A6) for no particular reason (though it is true that after all MBTs get this change, they still will definitely be more so affected by this than Eastern MBTs, which honestly isn’t that bad of an idea).

[Smin1080p_WT]

@MokaMoki

CMs aren’t here to collect feedback nor do they (or devs) listen to it.

We very much are. That’s exactly why this post exists, as the developers have seen the feedback from across the whole community.

Because something may not have come in the exact way you may have wished it, does not mean all feedback has not been seen and heard.

[AlvisWisla]

And it’s barely a nerf, cause if you make a shot that can hit the lower plate, you’ve fragged 2 - 3 crew members with that shot on live server now.

[MokaMoki]

So you saw players were against it, and…choose to go full steam ahead anyways? I wouldn’t call that listening.

[WaterVaporKix]

Here’s your feedback: The difference between the X-ray and the damage model is quite frustrating when the purpose of the X-ray is to show internal components and at least heavily imply the damage model.

Visual fluff is nice but being lied to by the X-ray view isn’t. How many other models have major discontinuities?

[I_9029]

so now the question is, will turret basket still create additional spall like in the dev server? or will they not create additional spall cause their dm is only the turret ring and basket bottom?

[AlvisWisla]

Being against an x-ray incorrectly thinking it’s a damage model isn’t being against the damage models.

[Hartsy1]

Your gunner optic argument/change would make absolutely no difference, all players would do is install a custom sight showing them where to aim and at what distance.

[rainy2000]

Not in all cases.
Now you can disable the engine and horizontal drive in one easy shot (the LFP), which is quite a huge nerf imo.

[Jεcka]

I wonder if 2A7Vs basket will get its spall liners that all Leo 2s have had ever since the 2A6M…

Most likely not, cus that’d be a buff. Same way its visual and damage models still haven’t been fixed, lmao.

[viski253]

Top tier italy will have a good 2 months of being relavent now.

[Smin1080p_WT]

@MokaMoki

So you saw players were against it, and…choose to go full steam ahead anyways? I wouldn’t call that listening.

We have seen the spesifc points of why some players were against it. We have made some changes to the elements within the turrets based on that feedback, refined the models and also explained in greater detail many of the confusing elements, addressing many of the questions people had about it’s implementation.

[MrBombastic8]

hey smin have the devs fix the hydraulic pump location yet?
Also did they change the things where turret basket like on the abrams would create spall?
Also i dont see the abrams dmg model

[Teh0]

@Smin1080p_WT

From our perspective, we want to avoid penalizing the player who managed to land a shot on the enemy first, reducing those frustrating moments of penetrating a vehicle without doing any meaningful damage — even though the round passed through a significant amount of the interior.

British AP rounds are an exception of course. Then again I can hardly call it frustrating since 1st shot kill is practically guaranteed to fail. No escape with those reverse speeds.