You are using a third-party resource, mate. They are not going to accept those.
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I’ll fix that, don’t worry about it.
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Third party and cannot be accepted
only mentions ‘underbody’ IED protection
only mentions spall liners for bradleys though
the video is just a guy talking… need more conclusive proof sigh
the other website is also third party
the rest are inconclusive about the spall liners. We do know the latest variant comes with the liners, and the DU, but the older models, aside from a few trial vehicles, incorporated none of these features.
as for the turret ring. #gaijin_modelling
people have given more official sources and still failed to prove that the spall liners were standard on the m1.
the integral/integrated debate has not yielded proof that these are standard (to my knowledge, i may be a bit rusty on the updates)
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mhm yea like i said I might update that with actual documents, but can you please tell me where I can put this message? (which forum or whatever.)
Usually, we make bug reports on here:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder
but for now, you are fine where you are.
Can gather everything here and then compile a report.
Correct there are no disclosure about Abrams internal spall liners “yet”.
Even latest variant such as SepV2/V3 still didn’t show spall liners in their spec (even Abrams X didn’t)
But
XM-1 documents spec clearly list spall liner as its requirement. But when it became M1 Abrams such word completely disapear from its list and spec.
M1 CATTB also did show spall liner in it document.
M1 Breacher also did show spall liner in its spec. But when it became M1150 such word disapear again.
As you can see US did try to put / design spall liner in Abrams prototype base vehicles. But when they got accept into service such things suddenly disapear without any mention whatsoever.
Thing is. Images would prove more useful than documents because most tank specs dont list spall liners.
Actually if Abrams really did use internal spall liners / armor package that could prevent itself from spalling or some sort. We wouldn’t see spall liners hanging like a normal spall liner. Even if we could cut open and see the inside of composite armor itself. we still wouldn’t fully know. As i said US never actually clarify whatever Abrams has some sort of spall liners or not. if not then why they didn’t try put one in since M1A2 , SepV1/V2/V3
So in this case documents are more reliable.
The Abram uses “Integral” spall liners, they are integrated in the armor of the turret and front of the hull. It is not like the Leopard or T90M. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Meant to reply to Armen Lozone, you cannot see the spall liners, they are in the armor
We also need to add armor made of depleted uranium, if they haven’t added it. Different sources (Wikipedia and etc.) say that it was there and provided good protection
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For example that website ( Как работает "урановая броня" американского танка «Абрамс») it’s in Russian language but chrome can translate it for u
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As said above, if you believe some vehicle stat is wrong you should submit a bug report, however bear in mind the following:
- You should have “proof” something is wrong
- Proof CANNOT be some classified (anything not public is risky) document
- Proof cannot be dependant on opinion
- And i assume it is clear that proof must be CREDIBLE…not some website without a valid source
I didn’t check the links in detail…i am just doing “global” comments…not sure if they apply
EDIT:
Also bear in mind that NOBODY in forums will be able to validate your data…only support will be able to analyse it.
I ASSUME it is a multilayer system…someone will make an initial check to see if your case has merits…and eventually send it up the chain…
MANY stats based bug reports are deemed as having unreliable documentation…hence the above suggestion to discuss it here first…but in the end it is up to you
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abrams dont have spall liners, though it does have other issues in-game
you mean the composite armor? the one made of a lot of things including rubber?
No like I said, it has integral spall lining.
Welp as of now there still no official source to clarify whatever Abrams has some sort of spall liners or not.
There is a few source (in bug report) that say Abrams has spall liner. but they’re not somethings like manual .
again there are no disclosure about Abrams integral spall liners “yet”.
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Well, we can prove that Chobham (of which the early generation(s) of US NERA array are based on) contains layered plastic, and so it’s not entirely without precedent, but then as it’s not specifically mentioned, shown or referenced in the declassified Green Grape report it’s hard to tell one way or the other, as a “non conventional” material is not listed in the cross-sections. Though this may make some sense if its encapsulated into each plate, or other element as the specific composition is not mentioned in said document.
As an aside here’s a link that details the performance of Spall liners
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Yep as i said. We might know what composite armor on M1 Abrams look like. Or how it was arranged. We still didn’t know all of materials they use. How thick they are, Angle ,etc and How they will react against incoming round/against impact.
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