Hopefully a 47mm gun is being used, but it’d be fun regardless! +1
they are all fit for the game, its already good news. but the BR would depend on which gun it had.
An interview with one of the Drivers of those tanks made a couple of years ago said it was 37mm, but still his memory is somewhat doubtful. and he was unable to say which gun it was. they never learned the name of the gun.
I identify 3 guns as the potential guns it could have. but there could be another one. We just did not know for sure what it was. I still hope to come across information about it soon or later.
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Interesting! Hope you are able to figure it out.
seeing how ridiculously bad low caliber solid shot perform (especially non ballistic capped), i’m more interested in upgunned french vehicles with things like the russian 45, or even german 37mm (that got aphe).
It should be the new reserve, replacing the overpowered greyhound.
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if the 37mm is the gun it had and i got the right one, it would be a perfect reserve. but the 47mm is much more powerful than the regular reserve gun and this tank has a pretty nice mobility. it would be better at 1.3 to 2.0 with a 47mm, all depending on which one it might have.
alternatively, there is a version of the same tank with a 13.2mm heavy machine-gun
this other tank has heavy machine-gun that offers about the same performance as the 12.7mm M2HB. i think it could work as reserve along with the T-26
the 45mm from Russia is overpowered; it’s the best reserve gun of the game and by far. and they mounted it on an excellent tank that performed quite too well. no wonder they keep using it and use it well at rank II. i even often see BT-5 in rank 4-5 and they do manage to kill a tank quite often (which give them a bonus in Silver Lions)
so this is not exactly the best reference for the comparison. the Russians should get the BT-2 to replace the BT-5 as a reserve. it has the same mobility but a weaker gun that still can do a good job.
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50mm of penetration at combat distance is more than enough for me to be at reserve level.
keep in mind this tank also offers a small size and good mobility which gives it good flexibility in its gameplay.
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it’s also overperforming by quite a large margin, being irl slightly weaker than the french 47mm. I honestly don’t understand why we don’t have the bt-2 for reserve, that would be balanced.
to me, 60mm should be the utmost penetration a gun should have, especially fast firing ones. The problem is the french 47mm that gets a long reload for not much post pen damage. And i don’t know why the sa34 os 9 seconds to reload (well i believe gaijin forgot it…) while the sa35 got a buff to 3.5.
Would you happen to have any information about a potential aphe for france? like i don’t know, prototype round, captured rounds compatible, etc.
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the SA34 should have a 4sec reload as iyt was supposed to have it. i provided Gaijin with a primary source from the French Archive of Vincennes last week or so about it. it confirmed it was 15 rounds per minute even with a single man to man the whole turret.
i had to double-check to make sure as i may have missed something, but the 47mm SA35 has a reload of 4.1 sec which gives it 15 rpm. This is also a historical performance.
i am doing great with 37mm SA 38. i even did well with the 37mm SA18 and managed to keep a positive KD ratio. but it is not a reference as i am an experimented player fighting against new players.
50mm of pen with a mobile vehicle is good for the game. even with a solid shot, i am sure of it. But among all the guns, it’s the 37mm that matches the less the appearance of the guns used on the tank. not that i discard it right away but it’s the one i am the least certain it had.
for the 37mm, the best rounds France had was the 37/25. the earliest APDS that was accepted to service in history. it was produced in 1940 but few reach the front.
this round wasn’t used in this gun.
there are APHE rounds here and there but none of them are interesting or worth mentioning for the current weapons of the game. this table is for the SA18. the SA38 already have all his round in the game
only the 75mm is missing a lot of interesting ammunition. this includes an APDS, an APBCB (without filler) a HEAT, and a handful of conventional rounds that could be added including AP and APHE. i also filled out a report to correct the ammunition used by the FCM 2C. The gun should get a huge buff as they just give it a Naval round apparently which the Army never used and we had the proper velocity for the round it used as well. better projectile, better velocity, it gives a huge buff of penetration with an APHE. enough to maybe consider the FCM 2C up-armored to be balanced and added.
shit, i already knew about almost all of those (except the sa18 apds, i almost excpet a heat now XD), and thought there was like a 1910m or similar for the sa35, like a recartridged aphe from the sa34 for the sa35.
for the 75mm? yes the 1910M was the standard and re-cartridge for the 75mm SA35 while it did not need to be cartridges for the APX 1929 (used on the Sau.40) or the Short barrel 1897 (used on the FCM 2c) which they used the exact same cartridges
but the 47mm was never re-cartridge. i checked this possibility a dozen times. it was just never done.
besides, those guns (possibly used on the ZB) was not compatible
Really good suggestion for something that is able to replace the M8 LAC as a reserve tank in the Chinese tech tree.
Another good tank would be the Vickers Mark E Type B, which is the same as the Finnish Vickers Mk E, that we already have ingame, but with a British 47mm cannon instead.
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the gun is not that good for the 6ton. the vehicles do not have great performance to make up for his weak gun
how unfortunate, the french 47mm sa35 (sa34 and sa35 refers to the 47mm, my bad) is a very fun gun, but it awfully lack in post pen damage, and everything helping that was a very welcome hope. Are you sure the 1897 on the 2c is a shorter version though, it looks like the same length as the original?
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Honestly, it’s a shame this didn’t get added with the release of the Chinese Tree, anyway it gets my +1
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yes, it was been confirmed.
serial document describ it as “canon de 75 mle 97 racourci”
they probably shortened it to balance it in the turret.
I too think its the 47mm Schneider, as the barrle profile does fit, and not the czech gun.
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it’s the most likely and the best of the 3.
all we need is a sort of confirmation.
I think Gaijin can go forward and add it with the 47mm Scheider if it’s not right, they can change it later, and the BR will not be significantly affected. the Skoda and Schneider 47mm have very similar performance. you trade a bit of penetration for a bit of damage.
the 37mm is by far the less likely. Only the rare Chinese tanker who was still alive 10 years ago who was interviewed said it was a 37mm only he didn’t seem to be certain. he was just put behind the tank without proper knowledge of what gun he was using. they just called it “the gun”. he might have been mistaken. he passed away now.
Is there a Photo showing the back of the vehicle?