Remove R-27ER

I have the exact sources you do. You have nothing more than I do.

The sources you have are terrible that also say that R27 (all variants) pull 40 degrees alpha at Mach 5 in which you eat right up. Believing its true!

That is wild that you actually believe that crap…

In reality, Nothing explains the ability for the missile to reach Mach 3.4 in under 7 seconds while maneuvering @ 1km altitude.

It is a 35G maximum overload missile just like the R27R.

Because it uses the same exact aerodynamics and controls. Therefore it must also inherit all of the same aerodynamic limitations as well.

The missile is only confirmed to have received a long burning motor. No relevant additional thrust. Because if it did receive any additional thrust along with the long burn motor, the missile would have to have been aerodynamically upgraded. It never did.

It is heavier. It has a larger mass. It has a longer burning motor & supposedly a “higher thrust”.
Those affect its acceleration and velocity tremendously and will have inevitable negative effect on how many gravitational forces the missile can sustain & maneuver under.

If physics needs to be explained to you once again, I don’t know what else to tell you.

The value on the graph is already indicated taking into account the drag

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What you claim is beyond the performances shown in-game and / or false entirely. Currently it underperforms most of the values shown by real world documentation. No amount of gaslighting or nonsense from you will change this.

Actually,
You are the only person who claimed absurd performances

You think all R27s are capable of 40 degree alpha in maneuver at MACH 5.

Of course, you think its underperforming
As well as this dude @BBCRF who access to a single aircraft in all of WT that has R27s.

Firstly, you are flying at a speed significantly higher than the real one.Secondly, the resistance from suspended weapons is very poorly modeled in the WT. In reality, your speed with such a set of rockets would be no more than 1150 km/h

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Oh, yes, it’s funny.I have already come across the fact that people believe that the speed of sound is constant for all heights

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I know you are not referring to me and have never played a single top tier game or has any access to aircraft that have the R27.

the speed of sound is not constant, the speed measured that aircraft travel are.

Says the Soviet Rocket scientist who thinks shockwaves do not create lift.

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Yes, it’s true.They don 't create

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Go educate yourself, you are too busy talking about a missile in a game you never played.

The physics of the flows of airfoils and wings at supersonic flight conditions are significantly different from those obtained in subsonic flight, which is the reason the value of the Mach number is so crucial in classifying aerodynamic flows.
In supersonic flows, the formation of shock waves and expansion waves significantly impact the performance of the wing or airfoil. For example, on the one hand, shock waves cause drag and increase the pressure on the wing’s surface. On the other hand, expansion waves arise when a supersonic flow is turned away from itself, reducing the pressure on the wing’s surface and creating lift.

Would you like a link?
Supersonic & Hypersonic Flight – Introduction to Aerospace Flight Vehicles (erau.edu)

Ahhahah. It’s funny considering that. That the article that you cited indicates that the streamlined body is at a certain angle of attack.It is not equal to zero.You’re trying to prove everything that an absolutely symmetrical body creates lift

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Oh wow, you thought I said no airfoil has never been at angle of attack. Yes, obsolete airfoils & I already educated you on that remember?

Airfoils today have no angle of attack and still produce lift. You need another link for that too?

Nice pivot.

For airplanes, yes.But air-to-air, AIM,AG missiles must have absolute symmetry.

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what’s the point of this debate it isnt going anywhere

You are right, they have successfully derailed and ran everyone out who came to discuss their thoughts on overperformance, why it should be removed from the Mig29.

No momentum can be generated because these two dudes who don’t play top tier have only one graph & their interpretation of it.

They have no sources on the thrust specifications. It never received additional thrust. Just a longer burning motor.

That is why it never received any aerodynamic upgrades & is still a maximum 35G overload missile just like the R27R.
The ER and R27R both share the exact same limitations. One is just heavier and burns for a longer period. The massive acceleration in game is entirely made up.

Simply settle this, provide the thrust specifications of the ER.
@MiG_23M & @BBCRF

I just looked at my document. And the videos you brought. Fits into the speed and range for a rocket

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If I recall correctly, that was not what you were crying about a second ago.
Something about speeds I was flying, WT is poorly modelled etc.

See, all you are here to do is derail. You have no actual sources for thrust.

You don’t even access to the Mig29 or Su27 but complain about how the developers made it wrong all over the forum.

You can’t even test fly it.

I looked at the standard table where the parameters of the carrier and the target and the height of 0.5 km were indicated. And the range fit into the video.In the video, your speed is not the same with the target, you fly faster.

Unfounded

So, what you are really trying to say is you do not have the thrust specifications for the ER’s motor.

Gotcha.

Yo! My dude does not even have access to any Mig-29 or the Su-27! He can’t even test fly them.

How does one complain daily on the forum about models the developers made that they never experienced or even test flown?

How can you be so sure?

I have a comrade for that.