Yep
Wrong. G=Lift/mass×g
The faster the rocket moves, the more it will create G with less steering deviation.Considering that the power of the hydraulic drives of the air is enough
That’s not my guess.A clear indication in the documentation
We are not talking about less steering are we?
The R27ER is doing too much steering under the engine thrust acceleration & speed.
You are correct and defeated your own argument
You keep saying that as well as the others. But even in game the maximum overload is 35Gs.
And even you just said less Gs is applied to the missile with less steering deviation.
So then how does the R27ER maintain the same turn radius under the immense thrust speed & acceleration and still only be equipped with 35g overload??
It cannot, and never did.
The ER will rest against the 35G limit.Smart people have calculated on which angle what is deflected and where.The fact that it has a turning radius and time will differ from the usual version is a fact there is nothing new here
Find the equation of motion of the aircraft
It does not rest against 35G. Its maximum capability is 35G.
Anyone who understands fluid dynamic understands that being able to deflect airflow is a component, but not entire formula,
Aerodynamic shape is.
The ER has aerodynamics of the R27R that was meant to operate and far lower speeds to maneuver.
For the R27ER to maneuver as it does in game under the increased weight, mass & the immense forces of thrust, acceleration and speed would require it to posses as maximum overload far in excess of 35gs.
It would require a new missile design altogether. Instead the missile never received a single upgrade.
Because it never flew as it did in WT.
You say that but also judge my mental state? what are you, my therapist? lol, lmao.
i dont care about what you think, i care about primary or at least reliable sources and tests to prove that something is wrong or overperforming, if you dont share nothing of that and dont want to make a bug report, then we have nothing to discuss about it, your opinions wont change anything in war thunder, just bug reports will, that was my point.
again, if something bothers you so much and doesn’t feel right, the only thing that will change it is if you make a bug report with sources and with tests proving that is wrong, cause gaijin wont accept your opinion only. simple as that
You’re contradicting yourself.
Must be a language barrier between us.
I meant, you can look at it anyway you want.
At the end of the day, 35G maximum overload is 35G maximum overload.
It will never change. The missile is incapable of maneuvering while it is already operating at & well past the speed of the aerodynamics it was designed just because it has a stronger motor.
It is a R27R with a larger motor. Its aerodynamics and controls can only sustain 35Gs. Travelling at the speed and acceleration it does in WT would require a overload far in excess.
It never did, it’s a fabricated performance at close ranges.
Well I know from former Luftwaffe MiG-29 pilots that the R-27ER is present in the weapons computer, in order to create simulated launches for training. And if you were to place a R-27ER on a MiG-29 pylon it would be recognised as such.
I told you the rocket would hit the limit of 35G. You haven’t discovered anything new
but the turning radius and time will be different as the speed is higher
Are there any WT tests?
Thats pretty cool.
But it only speaks to the uniformity in design of the Soviet Union. They operate on the same guidance and are made by the same OKB.
But still is not relevant to the ER being nearly as good in close range as it is in WT. They never received the missile because simply it’s not tactically feasible for shorter ranges.
The R27R is lighter and smaller, optimal for ranges under medium. If the ER was this good in closer range, able to cover the distance immediately and maneuver as it does it, Frontal Aviation assets and the Mig29 would have received it immediately.
it’s better to go to our discord. in off-topic you can discuss WT
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I have conducted many tests, nothing formal.
But I am a soviet main and have no problem in them never lowering the performance of the ER. My favorite jet of all time is the Flanker after all.
But for it to perform as it does & remain with the Mig29 is the only issue for me.
The Mig29 is severely limited in agility, response to input & missing its trademark missile. The ER is the weapon system that dictates any possible FM buffs and weapon systems from it.
All Mig29s are all fantasy versions limited in improvements & defined by a missile they never carried.
thanks!
G overload is dependent upon change in acceleration and velocity.
At short ranges the performance is the same as the 27R because the speed off the missile is slow. Because obv the motor hasn’t used all the thrust it can output.
At medium ranges the preforms is the same as the 27R because both missiles have the same top speed (iirc) the ER just had a longer burning sustainer.
Being a short range air defense fighter the mig-29 pilots liked less weight in their wings.
And due to airforce doctrine, the migs usually did not use the heavier ER.
simply because it was heavier.
I would respectfully suggest giving growling sidewinder (yt) a look.
Itll give u an idea of how wing loading in BVR helps or jeopardises your performance esp in light fighter aircraft
Eh?
Fulcrum is missing its trademark missile?
You just stated a contradiction unknowingly.
The R27R & ER both share the same maximum overload of 35G because they share the same aerodynamics pattern and controls. There is no question.
G overloads is dependent upon change in acceleration and velocity. Excellent, I agree as well.
The contradiction lies in the actual game performance.
The R27ER is not slow off the rail just as the R27R… Its already Mach 3.5+ less than 5 seconds after launch at low altitude and accelerates
The R27ER is not only well past the ability of the R27R is to manuever, its already well past the ability that the R27R has to fly at all.