Remove R-27ER

Its over, just stop.

You are the only person that is proving its overperforming …

Your only datapoint & only source The Moscow Aviation Institute places it at 10 seconds to reach shy of 800 m/s as you explain below.

You name the source by name when comparing it to the DCS model.

I said the R27ER far exceeds that at 1km.

You then explain in detail why it is impossible to exceed 1,000 meters a second (Mach 3.1) at 1km altitude.

You list 3 reasons

You are proven incorrect good sir!
He’s freaking out because the missile exceeds his impossible limitations!

No it doesn’t.
https://img-forum-wt-com.cdn.gaijin.net/original/3X/1/8/18fafeaee420447585a8580f9a100d2500b30dbb.jpeg
For this scenario, the launch speed is ~500 m/s (1.56 mach).

The acceleration is adjusted to match the 5km altitude figures from the chart the devs explained this already (see screenshot of their response below and click here for the original report).

However I must point out that it underperforms in top speed here by nearly 100 m/s as well. The top speed comes out to mach 4.06 (1,301 m/s). The chart shows 1400 m/s. This is not a big deal as the range and performance charts are still met otherwise…

And as you can see here, the acceleration is approximately 8 seconds and matches the chart above.

The error in your particular testing was not following the specified parameters. Higher drag conditions or higher launch speeds will cause the missile to reach the top speed sooner rather than later. The launch at lower altitudes and from different speeds than the chart will of course skew the results. In this case, there is no datapoint specified below 5km but we do see a trend. In-game missiles thrust does not change based on altitude so nothing in-game follows this trend. Thrust does not increase or decrease and burn time does not either… so in order for Gaijin to properly model range based on various altitudes they must adjust their atmospheric or drag models until such a time that they can work on dynamic thrust plots for missiles.

This goes for all missiles and especially the AIM-7F/M which are legitimately overperforming currently and need correction.

From a standstill, yes. The missile doesn’t exceed 1,075 m/s in any conditions because that is the overall deltaV output of the missile. We can calculate this easily from the datamined engine parameters and start / end weight.

I wouldn’t classify honestly debunking absurd claims as “freaking out”. Your mannerisms in this discussion are degenerating over time. I suggest you police yourself up a little bit and behave more professionally if you insist on continuing this one sided debate.

I don’t even need to debunk this nonsense. @BBCRF I think you will find this rather humorous. @MaMoran20 @CorporalApollo @FeetPics

lol I was just goofing around to see if you would freak out like you have been every time your been proven wrong.

Now you are arguing from a stand still. No one cares.

I always was

Apollo and anyone else reading saw and understood what was said. I am going to die of old age before you come up with a source for your absurd claims that the R-27ER is overperforming.

Every test and condition that I can check or has been reported has shown it is either underperforming justifiably or meets the conditions.

Only you would argue from a stand still magical zero drag environment, right?

No, you weren’t because you even factored in drag after the fact.

You concluded it is impossible in game.

It’s proven in game regardless of drag to exceed 1000 meters in under 7 seconds in actual gameplay and maneuver to kill opponents.

For the missile to achieve this a maximum overload of 35Gs is required. The missile over performs.

You stated that it would be double the 800 m/s figure given (1600 m/s) and later corrected yourself claiming it was a mistake. The point I was making is that this is impossible because the missile only has 1,075 m/s deltaV.

For it to go 1600 m/s it would need to be launched from 600 m/s which isn’t feasible at those altitudes for the launch aircraft.

Therefore, impossible… yes. Impossible for the missile to exceed the deltaV + launch speed conditions. No test necessary.

Though you think it is overperforming because it can exceed 1000 m/s when launched from 300+ m/s… this is rather silly. The missile has over 1km/s deltaV of course it can go 1km/s + launch speed before drag is considered.

Now please, if you’d just provide a source for your ramblings. Where on that chart does it indicate that the missile is going too fast at low altitude? Currently it underperforms from the other datapoints and you think that a higher drag coefficient is going to suddenly improve the performance in relation to this?

No one ever said the ER is overperforming at 16,000 feet altitude.

Actually, you are the only person who claimed it was underperforming there and you “confirmed it”

You actually did not and relied on the internet to tell you. The missile is much faster,

oh, is this you trying to latch on to something I said immediately to disregard? that you also acknowledged?

Why are you attempting to twist the truth more?

I see.

No, the developers confirmed it.

Again, while the website was erroneous the in-game performance is still less than the chart.

Stooping to your level actually, yes. My bad.

Yes, I discovered it. You lied and stated you confirmed all the performances of it.

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No, you claimed it was much faster than the in-game test showed. You guessed.

You’re misreading what I said and continuing to avoid any honest discussion practice.

I have been asking for well over 300 comments for you to provide a source and proof that the in-game model does not perform accordingly. You have done no such thing.

Please, redeem yourself. What was misread out of that?

Even when someone else questioned it you confirmed you tested it in game.

I actually play top tier. I did not have to do any guessing.
Look it’s over.

The R27ER overperforms and has exceeded every limit you declared & set, all you can do is continue to do is move the goal post.

Even at 5km altitude it exceeded your expectations. You thought it only was Mach 3.14…

You just keep making up limits to say it’s not overperforming & when proof is shown that it exceeds your limits, you move the goal post once again.

I have the exact sources you do. You have nothing more than I do.

The sources you have are terrible that also say that R27 (all variants) pull 40 degrees alpha at Mach 5 in which you eat right up. Believing its true!

That is wild that you actually believe that crap…

In reality, Nothing explains the ability for the missile to reach Mach 3.4 in under 7 seconds while maneuvering @ 1km altitude.

It is a 35G maximum overload missile just like the R27R.

Because it uses the same exact aerodynamics and controls. Therefore it must also inherit all of the same aerodynamic limitations as well.

The missile is only confirmed to have received a long burning motor. No relevant additional thrust. Because if it did receive any additional thrust along with the long burn motor, the missile would have to have been aerodynamically upgraded. It never did.

It is heavier. It has a larger mass. It has a longer burning motor & supposedly a “higher thrust”.
Those affect its acceleration and velocity tremendously and will have inevitable negative effect on how many gravitational forces the missile can sustain & maneuver under.

If physics needs to be explained to you once again, I don’t know what else to tell you.

The value on the graph is already indicated taking into account the drag

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What you claim is beyond the performances shown in-game and / or false entirely. Currently it underperforms most of the values shown by real world documentation. No amount of gaslighting or nonsense from you will change this.

Actually,
You are the only person who claimed absurd performances

You think all R27s are capable of 40 degree alpha in maneuver at MACH 5.

Of course, you think its underperforming
As well as this dude @BBCRF who access to a single aircraft in all of WT that has R27s.

Firstly, you are flying at a speed significantly higher than the real one.Secondly, the resistance from suspended weapons is very poorly modeled in the WT. In reality, your speed with such a set of rockets would be no more than 1150 km/h

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Oh, yes, it’s funny.I have already come across the fact that people believe that the speed of sound is constant for all heights

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I know you are not referring to me and have never played a single top tier game or has any access to aircraft that have the R27.

the speed of sound is not constant, the speed measured that aircraft travel are.

Says the Soviet Rocket scientist who thinks shockwaves do not create lift.

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Yes, it’s true.They don 't create

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